Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-12 Thread Alexander Johannesen
On 4/12/06, K.G. Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do users actually determine relevance or do they have faith in Google to provide the best results on the first results page? I'd say people use a click and try n times, before refine search until relevance is fulfilled technique. But again,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-12 Thread Tito Sierra
On Apr 11, 2006, at 4:11 PM, Colleen Whitney wrote: Jonathan Rochkind wrote: not the right approach. And yet...I wish I could explain why it seems as though the clustering can tell us something. Well, what is it you think the clustering can tell you something _about_? This is an

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-12 Thread K.G. Schneider
Right. The observation had more to do with how to order the items within a workset. The visitor was suggesting that a combination of popularity and currency ought to be considered for determining display. So between titles, you could show those titles that were more widely held first. Then

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-11 Thread Alexander Johannesen
On 4/12/06, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are instead using a formula where an increased number of records for a given work increases your ranking, all other things being equal---I'm skeptical. Ditto; I think the answer to this is that there needs to be some serious

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-11 Thread Ross Singer
Although, at the same time, I think Google has taught us that our result set order doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be 'relatively accurate' and present enough information to let the user determine its relevance. I think a dependence on technology to 'solve this problem' is more

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-11 Thread K.G. Schneider
Although, at the same time, I think Google has taught us that our result set order doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to be 'relatively accurate' and present enough information to let the user determine its relevance. Do users actually determine relevance or do they have faith in Google

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-10 Thread Hickey,Thom
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR Hello all, Here's a question for anyone who has been thinking about or working with FRBR for creating record groupings for display. (Perhaps others have already discussed or addressed this...in which case I'd be happy to have a pointer

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-10 Thread Colleen Whitney
Whitney Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR Hello all, Here's a question for anyone who has been thinking about or working with FRBR for creating record groupings for display. (Perhaps others have already discussed

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-10 Thread Hickey,Thom
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR Thanks...is it just a straight sum, Thom? --C Hickey,Thom wrote: Here at OCLC we're ranking based on the holdings of all the records in the retrieved work set. Seems to work pretty well. --Th -Original Message- From: Code

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-10 Thread K.G. Schneider
I'd agree with this. Actually, though, 'relevancy' ranking based on where terms occur in the record and how many times they occur is of minor help compared to some sort of popularity score. WorldCat holdings work fairly well for that, as should circulation data. The primary example of this

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-10 Thread David Walker
To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR I'd agree with this. Actually, though, 'relevancy' ranking based on where terms occur in the record and how many times they occur is of minor help compared to some sort of popularity score. WorldCat holdings work fairly

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR

2006-04-10 Thread Hickey,Thom
:06 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Question re: ranking and FRBR The only tricky thing about this with WorldCat, though, is that you have such a large mix of libraries. In my own searching on WorldCat, I've noticed that a fair amount of fiction and non-scholarly works