Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
In my experience, you can't tell much about what you'd really want to know for user needs from the indicators or subfield 3's, at least in my catalog. FRBR relationships probably don't work because the destination of an arbitrary 856 is not neccesarily a FRBR entity, and even if it is

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-08 Thread Ross Singer
http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-relation This term is intended to be used with non-literal values as defined in the DCMI Abstract Model (http://dublincore.org/documents/abstract-model/). As of December 2007, the DCMI Usage Board is seeking a way to express this intention with a

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-08 Thread Ed Summers
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: So dc:relation does sound like the right vocabulary element for generic related web page page, thanks.  Is the value of dc:relation _neccesarily_ a URI/URL?  I hope so, because otherwise I'm not sure dc:relation is

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-08 Thread Ed Summers
d'oh, s/dcterms:related/dcterms:relation/ (thanks ksclarke). I also meant to point out that rdfs:seeAlso is another option. //Ed On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: So dc:relation does sound

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-08 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
rdfs:seeAlso++ On Jul 8, 2010 6:01 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: d'oh, s/dcterms:related/dcterms:relation/ (thanks ksclarke). I also meant to point out that rdfs:seeAlso is another option. //Ed On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-08 Thread Karen Coyle
Quoting Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu: So dc:relation does sound like the right vocabulary element for generic related web page page, thanks. Is the value of dc:relation _neccesarily_ a URI/URL? I hope so, because otherwise I'm not sure dc:relation is sufficient, as I really do need

[CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So in our marc records, we have these 856 links, the meaning of which is basically some web page related to the entity at hand. You don't really know the relation, the granularity is not there. So, fine, data is data, there ought to be some way to model this in standard XML/RDF/DC/whatever,

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-07 Thread Mike Taylor
Isn't that pretty much what dc:relation is for? From http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#elements-relation Label: Relation Definition: A related resource. Comment:Recommended best practice is to identify the related resource by means of a string conforming to a formal

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-07 Thread Diane I. Hillmann
Mike: For sure dc:relation works, and has some subproperties that a bit more specific, but it's still pretty much a blunt instrument. I know I sound like a broken record, but RDA has a LOT of relationships to choose from--these are the WEMI-to-WEMI relationships:

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-07 Thread Doran, Michael D
Taylor Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:42 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page Isn't that pretty much what dc:relation is for? From http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#elements-relation Label:Relation Definition: A related

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-07 Thread Ed Summers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Doran, Michael D do...@uta.edu wrote: Of course, subfield $3 values are not any kind of controlled vocabulary, so it's hard to do much with them programmatically. A few years ago I analyzed the subfield 3 values in the Library of Congress data up at the Internet

Re: [CODE4LIB] schema for some web page

2010-07-07 Thread Roy Tennant
And one more (tiny, compared to edsu's) data point. You can see the $3 values from over 10,000 records that had 856 fields from an original 1 million records from the UC Berkeley catalog here: http://roytennant.com/proto/856/?string=%243 in all of it's, uh, gory detail. But I agree that there is