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Welker
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:42 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
Hmm using a CMS for the basic site and then a framework for all complex
functions might be a good idea.
Josh Welker
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to integrate with the entire Drupal API.
Josh Welker
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Hagedon, Mike - (mhagedon)
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 12:39 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
I can see
I think that it is widely conceded that it is a good idea to use the most
suitable tool for a given task. But what does that mean? There is a long list
of conditions and factors that go into selecting tools, some reflecting
immediate needs, some reflecting long term needs and strategy, and
Salvete!
It sounds like you might want too much out of the box or at least a higher
degree of simplicity or usability than most stuff will provide. Usability is a
holy grail that most folks frankly don't feel like shelling out for so it
remains all shiny and out of reach. Should it? No, of
No doubt others like Cary Gordon can chime in with some thoughtful advice,
but here are some things I like about Drupal:
Modules that make complicated things fairly trivial like Services and
Feeds.
I like Views, though your complaints are valid. Take the good with the bad
for that.
Between
I am a Django developer, and would certainly prefer working with Django to
working with Drupal ;) It's very straightforward to write CRUD views, and
there are several CMSes already written on top of Django. (Here is 100% of
what I know about them: the lead developer of mezzanine seems nice;
Joshua,
From my perspective, the module ecosystem is the greatest strength that
Drupal has. Modularity is one of the central design goals of the system,
so if you if you want to avoid all third-party modules, you aren't going to
get any real advantage over something like wordpress. Having said
I dropped Drupal because of the problems outlined by Joshua and others.
There is no doubt in my mind if you have the time and staff resources to
learn Drupal and your specific instance of Drupal, that it is a very
powerful and useful tool. However, the learning curve is steep and time
consuming.
When I came into this position I inherited some work the former tech
manager had done in installing and experimenting with Drupal as a tool to
replace our current CMS-less ColdFusion environment. I also quickly grew
unhappy with it. I've been experimenting with MODX, which I like so far. If
you're
Thank you all for the responses. I hope my original email did not come off
as too abrasive.
The issue for me is that I am having a hard time figuring out what exactly
is the use case for Drupal. Do you want a dead-simple website? Use
Wordpress. Do you want to add some complex custom apps? Use a
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Thank you all for the responses. I hope my original email did not come off as
too abrasive.
The issue for me is that I am having a hard time figuring out what exactly is
the use case for Drupal. Do you want a dead-simple
Hi Joshua,
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 09:47:06AM -0500, Joshua Welker wrote:
Thank you all for the responses. I hope my original email did not come off
as too abrasive.
No worries, I find it a fair depiction, and I share your Drupal pain.
The issue for me is that I am having a hard time
, May 15, 2014 8:47 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
Thank you all for the responses. I hope my original email did not come off
as too abrasive.
The issue for me is that I am having a hard time figuring out what exactly
is the use case for Drupal
In the case of Django, if buy _Two Scoops of Django_ and slavishly follow
its best practices (plus normal best practices like writing comments), your
code will be pretty maintainable by others. CRUD views are dead simple to
write and the class-based views introduced in 1.5 impose enough uniformity
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM, McHale, Nina mchal...@cde.state.co.us wrote:
Good morning, Josh and everyone, and thanks for the shoutout, Andromeda!
Josh, I didn't take your OP as abrasive at all. We've ALL been up on that
ledge, man!
What ledge? Oh, THAT ledge!
This seems like a good opportunity to mention the best CMS ever
http://bestcmsever.com/
James
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM, McHale, Nina mchal...@cde.state.co.us
wrote:
Good morning, Josh and everyone, and thanks
I have been with Drupal for about 10years now, (think Flexinode). I have
also built several applications in PHP, MySQL, etc. and I have to say I
have for sure had times I wanted to tear my hair out with Drupal, but over
the years and I have to say I do like it quite a bit and feel like it is
the
I've been using Drupal since 2007-8 and it seems like every time I use it, I
learn something new. It is an extremely powerful CMS but its certainly not for
everyone. Sometimes its overkill and other times it can be inflexible.
I think the biggest advantage of it is the level of customization
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Thank you all for the responses. I hope my original email did not come off
as too abrasive.
The issue for me is that I am having a hard time figuring out what exactly
is the use case for Drupal. Do you want a dead-simple website
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For me the main benefit of Drupal has been that, as a wanna-be coder, I can
do some very powerful things simply through logic - I may have to carefully
think about structure, relationships, experiment with views, evaluate
modules carefully
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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
Christian Pietsch
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:39 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
Hi Joshua,
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 09:47:06AM -0500, Joshua
Welker
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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
McHale, Nina
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:37 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
Good morning, Josh and everyone, and thanks for the shoutout
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
I have been with Drupal for about 10years now, (think Flexinode). I have also
built several applications in PHP, MySQL, etc. and I have to say I have for
sure had times I wanted to tear my hair out with Drupal, but over
the website to
dive into raw code.
Josh Welker
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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
McHale, Nina
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:37 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
Good morning, Josh
https://drupal.org/project/bad_judgement
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Shaun Ellis
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:16 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
Josh,
I welcome your initial rant, which was well articulated -- sometimes I can't
find anything beyond 4-letter words to express my frustration.
It surprises me
That summarizes my feelings quite well.
Josh Welker
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Simon Spero
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 2:40 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Shaun
Ellis
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 12:16 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Very frustrated with Drupal
Josh,
I
Couple things.
Drupal documentation has heavily gone the way of the screencast, while I
personally think they move too slowly, but I'm like that. There have
been times where I haven't been able to figure something out and I've
watched a screencast on a module and not only find the solution
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Couple things.
Drupal documentation has heavily gone the way of the screencast, while I
personally think they move too slowly, but I'm like that. There have been
times where I haven't been able to figure something out and I've
I am sure others have opinions:
You just described WordPress as far as the bus scenario goes, and for ease of
use WordPress gets a tick there, I don't know much about drupal, but WordPress
has solved most of my issues (I hope Michael Scofield steps in on this one, he
know a LOT more then me).
Ah, yep. I've never done a full rant about Drupal because it would take days
and run into many virtual pages. I gave it a good go, almost full time, for a
couple of years, even went to a regional conference.
It's a train wreck beyond that first easy 80% – especially if you care about
detail –
I do have quite a bit of experience with Wordpress, and I generally like it
more than Drupal for its simplicity. The reason I am wary of it is that it
is heavily plugin-dependent in general and specifically with regards to
custom content types. I want to avoid having to use third-party plugins for
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