[CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
I agree that the sooner a space and date can be decided the better. While Sudbury would probably be nice, it would be a tough sell because of the distance from me (9.5 hrs). The others are all doable. Any ideas on how we should decide? Some sort of ranked list? I personally would enjoy going back to Montreal and I'd like to visit Ottawa, but Kingston is the closest. As far as dates, I'd personally like it to be on a Monday or Friday, this way I would only have to take one (or 1.5) days off from work, and, I can take the weekend to explore. (BTW: I'd like Monday better than Friday, but either would be better than a Tuesday or Wednesday (Thursday being my third choice). I guess I could do a weekend as well, but I would think most people would rather it be during the week, Edward David Fiander wrote: So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
I just wanted to chime in from downtown Toronto -- I certainly welcome meeting outside of my fair city, and prefer locales that can be reached via train (Ottawa, Montreal, Kingston, Sudbury). Porter airlines is also good, but sadly, they don't fly to Sudbury. Kim -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of MJ Suhonos Sent: January 20, 2010 10:17 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting? I think mode of transportation is something to consider; for those of us in South/Eastern Ontario, most of the cities are relatively reachable within a few hours by ground (excepting Sudbury, unfortunately). However, for those out-of-province coming via air transport, Kingston is at least 2h from the closest major airport (Ottawa). [NB: don't get me wrong; as a Queen's graduate, I love Kingston very much]. So, in the name of practicality, one of the larger cities -- Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal -- probably makes the most sense. It may be a bit less interesting for some, but at the same time, we could always pick one of the smaller cities for our second meet-up. Just my $0.02CAD. MJ PS. for air travel, Porter airlines is an excellent regional carrier, servicing Boston, Chicago, Montreal, Newark, Ottawa, Thunder Bay, and Toronto (among others). On 2010-01-20, at 10:05 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: I agree that the sooner a space and date can be decided the better. While Sudbury would probably be nice, it would be a tough sell because of the distance from me (9.5 hrs). The others are all doable. Any ideas on how we should decide? Some sort of ranked list? I personally would enjoy going back to Montreal and I'd like to visit Ottawa, but Kingston is the closest. As far as dates, I'd personally like it to be on a Monday or Friday, this way I would only have to take one (or 1.5) days off from work, and, I can take the weekend to explore. (BTW: I'd like Monday better than Friday, but either would be better than a Tuesday or Wednesday (Thursday being my third choice). I guess I could do a weekend as well, but I would think most people would rather it be during the week, Edward David Fiander wrote: So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Here are my personal musings from my perspective as one of those on the periphery (Indiana). Thanks for moving this forward! Sudbury seems too remote; I vacation near there each summer, and even in April that can be a challenging drive, and is generally expensive to fly into. For folks from the Midwest, Montreal is probably too far to be honest. I love Montreal (it is my fave Cdn. city), but I would likely have to fly to get there as that is a two-day drive from Chicagoland where I am roughly. If consensus is Montreal, I know a bunch of people there (McGill, UQAM, U.Montreal), and could put likely folks in touch to find space. Ottawa is still doable and Kingston is preferred for me simply because I haven't spent much time there. Ottawa is kind of expensive. Toronto has good and bad. Expensive, familiar. But also central, good public transit for getting around and lots of stuff to do. We had a Fedora (linux) Users and Developer's con at York U. back in December and it was great. I could also stay at my sister's place, lowering costs to attend for me at least. April and May are going to be really busy for me. After mid-May would be better for me. I can't participate between April 16 - May 16, basically, but I am only one voice. If not this time, I'll probably attend next year! - pascal Pascal Calarco Head, Library Information Systems Hesburgh Libraries of Notre Dame University of Notre Dame / Michiana Academic Library Consortium Notre Dame, IN USA http://www.library.nd.edu/ - Fedora Weekly News editor Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA On 01/20/2010 09:44 AM, David Fiander wrote: So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
On 20 Jan 10, at 10:16 AM, MJ Suhonos wrote: I think mode of transportation is something to consider; for those of us in South/Eastern Ontario, most of the cities are relatively reachable within a few hours by ground (excepting Sudbury, unfortunately). However, for those out-of-province coming via air transport, Kingston is at least 2h from the closest major airport (Ottawa). [NB: don't get me wrong; as a Queen's graduate, I love Kingston very much]. As another Queen's grad (a little before MJ, I fear), I am also guilty of forgetting that Air Canada has about eight flights a day that drop into the airport at Kingston. As a student it was mostly VIA, the bus or the thumb. That said, I would be driving right by Toronto's Pearson Airport on my way down and could time passage to do a pickup (or two). Walter who loves Kingston in May and June
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BaseX is actively developed (6.0 came out about two weeks ago), but I understand your concern. It seems like they are moving towards building more of a community around it (mailing lists and such), but yes, the core is pretty much the university team. eXist has more plug-ins and specialty features than BaseX. BaseX has XQuery full text search and much much faster querying speed. As far as putting your eggs in a basket, I'm pretty sure that if you're looking to base your project around XML databases, you're already putting your eggs in a basket of some form... -Sean On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Godmar Back wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Sean Hannan shan...@jhu.edu wrote: I've had the best experience (query speed, primarily) with BaseX. This was primarily for large XML document processing, so I'm not sure how much it will satisfy your transactional needs. I was initially using eXist, and then switched over to BaseX because the speed gains were very noticeable. What about the relative maturity/functionality of eXist vs BaseX? I'm a bit skeptical to put my eggs in a University project basket not backed by a continuous revenue stream (... did I just say that out loud?) - Godmar
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Walter, once again, has made up for my impetuousness -- I had completely forgotten about Norman Rogers airport (YGK). Apologies. It's a bit expensive compared to ground transport ($350 from Pearson vs. $40 Megabus or $120 Greyhound; via Ottawa?) but certainly an option for those flying in from elsewhere. MJ who also loves Kingston in the spring (but more in the summer when CORK is on) On 2010-01-20, at 10:32 AM, Walter Lewis wrote: On 20 Jan 10, at 10:16 AM, MJ Suhonos wrote: I think mode of transportation is something to consider; for those of us in South/Eastern Ontario, most of the cities are relatively reachable within a few hours by ground (excepting Sudbury, unfortunately). However, for those out-of-province coming via air transport, Kingston is at least 2h from the closest major airport (Ottawa). [NB: don't get me wrong; as a Queen's graduate, I love Kingston very much]. As another Queen's grad (a little before MJ, I fear), I am also guilty of forgetting that Air Canada has about eight flights a day that drop into the airport at Kingston. As a student it was mostly VIA, the bus or the thumb. That said, I would be driving right by Toronto's Pearson Airport on my way down and could time passage to do a pickup (or two). Walter who loves Kingston in May and June
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Train travel gives you a smaller carbon footprint than air travel! Anna who maybe just leveled in hippie MJ Suhonos wrote: Walter, once again, has made up for my impetuousness -- I had completely forgotten about Norman Rogers airport (YGK). Apologies. It's a bit expensive compared to ground transport ($350 from Pearson vs. $40 Megabus or $120 Greyhound; via Ottawa?) but certainly an option for those flying in from elsewhere. MJ who also loves Kingston in the spring (but more in the summer when CORK is on) On 2010-01-20, at 10:32 AM, Walter Lewis wrote: On 20 Jan 10, at 10:16 AM, MJ Suhonos wrote: I think mode of transportation is something to consider; for those of us in South/Eastern Ontario, most of the cities are relatively reachable within a few hours by ground (excepting Sudbury, unfortunately). However, for those out-of-province coming via air transport, Kingston is at least 2h from the closest major airport (Ottawa). [NB: don't get me wrong; as a Queen's graduate, I love Kingston very much]. As another Queen's grad (a little before MJ, I fear), I am also guilty of forgetting that Air Canada has about eight flights a day that drop into the airport at Kingston. As a student it was mostly VIA, the bus or the thumb. That said, I would be driving right by Toronto's Pearson Airport on my way down and could time passage to do a pickup (or two). Walter who loves Kingston in May and June -- Anna Headley Swarthmore College Library 610.690.5781 ahead...@swarthmore.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Hi, I just chatted with a person at McGill (i.e. Amy Buckland), and we would be glad to host the event in Montreal. So, you can consider Montreal as a viable option in the choices. I also know people at U.Montreal and other organizations that could and would probably help us with logistics depending on how many people plan on attending. If you're not convinced about Montreal, go ask Dan Chudnov about poutine. Patrick Patrick M. Lozeau librarian inlibro.com Le 2010-01-20 à 10:28, Pascal Calarco a écrit : Here are my personal musings from my perspective as one of those on the periphery (Indiana). Thanks for moving this forward! Sudbury seems too remote; I vacation near there each summer, and even in April that can be a challenging drive, and is generally expensive to fly into. For folks from the Midwest, Montreal is probably too far to be honest. I love Montreal (it is my fave Cdn. city), but I would likely have to fly to get there as that is a two-day drive from Chicagoland where I am roughly. If consensus is Montreal, I know a bunch of people there (McGill, UQAM, U.Montreal), and could put likely folks in touch to find space. Ottawa is still doable and Kingston is preferred for me simply because I haven't spent much time there. Ottawa is kind of expensive. Toronto has good and bad. Expensive, familiar. But also central, good public transit for getting around and lots of stuff to do. We had a Fedora (linux) Users and Developer's con at York U. back in December and it was great. I could also stay at my sister's place, lowering costs to attend for me at least. April and May are going to be really busy for me. After mid-May would be better for me. I can't participate between April 16 - May 16, basically, but I am only one voice. If not this time, I'll probably attend next year! - pascal Pascal Calarco Head, Library Information Systems Hesburgh Libraries of Notre Dame University of Notre Dame / Michiana Academic Library Consortium Notre Dame, IN USA http://www.library.nd.edu/ - Fedora Weekly News editor Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA On 01/20/2010 09:44 AM, David Fiander wrote: So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
If Hamilton would make logistical sense, I'm quite happy to do some exploratory poking around. jf On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Patrick M. Lozeau pmloz...@inlibro.comwrote: Hi, I just chatted with a person at McGill (i.e. Amy Buckland), and we would be glad to host the event in Montreal. So, you can consider Montreal as a viable option in the choices. I also know people at U.Montreal and other organizations that could and would probably help us with logistics depending on how many people plan on attending. If you're not convinced about Montreal, go ask Dan Chudnov about poutine. Patrick Patrick M. Lozeau librarian inlibro.com Le 2010-01-20 ą 10:28, Pascal Calarco a écrit : Here are my personal musings from my perspective as one of those on the periphery (Indiana). Thanks for moving this forward! Sudbury seems too remote; I vacation near there each summer, and even in April that can be a challenging drive, and is generally expensive to fly into. For folks from the Midwest, Montreal is probably too far to be honest. I love Montreal (it is my fave Cdn. city), but I would likely have to fly to get there as that is a two-day drive from Chicagoland where I am roughly. If consensus is Montreal, I know a bunch of people there (McGill, UQAM, U.Montreal), and could put likely folks in touch to find space. Ottawa is still doable and Kingston is preferred for me simply because I haven't spent much time there. Ottawa is kind of expensive. Toronto has good and bad. Expensive, familiar. But also central, good public transit for getting around and lots of stuff to do. We had a Fedora (linux) Users and Developer's con at York U. back in December and it was great. I could also stay at my sister's place, lowering costs to attend for me at least. April and May are going to be really busy for me. After mid-May would be better for me. I can't participate between April 16 - May 16, basically, but I am only one voice. If not this time, I'll probably attend next year! - pascal Pascal Calarco Head, Library Information Systems Hesburgh Libraries of Notre Dame University of Notre Dame / Michiana Academic Library Consortium Notre Dame, IN USA http://www.library.nd.edu/ - Fedora Weekly News editor Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA On 01/20/2010 09:44 AM, David Fiander wrote: So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David -- http://libgrunt.blogspot.com -- library culture and technology.
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+1 for Montreal -- Glen Newton | glen.new...@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca Researcher, Information Science, CISTI Research [On assignment: IM Advisor, Canadian Forestry Service, Natural Resources Canada] http://tinyurl.com/yvchmu NRCan/CFS: 613-947-9088 -- This one now NRC: tel 613-990-9163 | fax 613-952-8246 Canada Institute for Scientific and Technical Information (CISTI) National Research Council Canada (NRC)| M-55, 1200 Montreal Road http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/ Institut canadien de l'information scientifique et technique (ICIST) Conseil national de recherches Canada | M-55, 1200 chemin Montr al Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0R6 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada -- Hi, I just chatted with a person at McGill (i.e. Amy Buckland), and we would be glad to host the event in Montreal. So, you can consider Montreal as a viable option in the choices. I also know people at U.Montreal and other organizations that could and would probably help us with logistics depending on how many people plan on attending. If you're not convinced about Montreal, go ask Dan Chudnov about poutine. Patrick Patrick M. Lozeau librarian inlibro.com Le 2010-01-20 10:28, Pascal Calarco a crit : Here are my personal musings from my perspective as one of those on the periphery (Indiana). Thanks for moving this forward! Sudbury seems too remote; I vacation near there each summer, and even in April that can be a challenging drive, and is generally expensive to fly into. For folks from the Midwest, Montreal is probably too far to be honest. I love Montreal (it is my fave Cdn. city), but I would likely have to fly to get there as that is a two-day drive from Chicagoland where I am roughly. If consensus is Montreal, I know a bunch of people there (McGill, UQAM, U.Montreal), and could put likely folks in touch to find space. Ottawa is still doable and Kingston is preferred for me simply because I haven't spent much time there. Ottawa is kind of expensive. Toronto has good and bad. Expensive, familiar. But also central, good public transit for getting around and lots of stuff to do. We had a Fedora (linux) Users and Developer's con at York U. back in December and it was great. I could also stay at my sister's place, lowering costs to attend for me at least. April and May are going to be really busy for me. After mid-May would be better for me. I can't participate between April 16 - May 16, basically, but I am only one voice. If not this time, I'll probably attend next year! - pascal Pascal Calarco Head, Library Information Systems Hesburgh Libraries of Notre Dame University of Notre Dame / Michiana Academic Library Consortium Notre Dame, IN USA http://www.library.nd.edu/ - Fedora Weekly News editor Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA On 01/20/2010 09:44 AM, David Fiander wrote: So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Although Kingston is closest to me... +1 for Ottawa +1 for Montreal I just checked airfare for both cities from Ithaca, NY (where several people within 50 miles that are on the list are from) and it's running about $540 US r/t. Fortunately all of the cities (except Sudbury) are less than a 5.5 hour drive. If the meeting was at the end of April I wouldn't be able to attend anyway since I'll likely be at a conference in Montpellier, France. -- John Fereira Cornell University Twitter: @john_fereira Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
I vote for Montpelier :-). Seriously though, I do think if it is within driving distance, John is correct that there will be some sort of central NY contingent and it most likely will involve automobiles. Edward John Fereira wrote: Although Kingston is closest to me... +1 for Ottawa +1 for Montreal I just checked airfare for both cities from Ithaca, NY (where several people within 50 miles that are on the list are from) and it's running about $540 US r/t. Fortunately all of the cities (except Sudbury) are less than a 5.5 hour drive. If the meeting was at the end of April I wouldn't be able to attend anyway since I'll likely be at a conference in Montpellier, France.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:49 PM, John Fereira wrote: Although Kingston is closest to me... +1 for Ottawa +1 for Montreal Agreed on the above. Any reason to return to Montreal is a good one, but I'd consider heading up for any of these locations. I'll be busy in late April so if you end up pushing the schedule back a bit I might crash the party. Great that you're doing this!
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Hello all, Chiming in a bit late but my vote would be for Kingston. Also for those driving it would be possible to arrange some ride sharing, ala code4lib 2009... I'd find the link on the wiki but the code4lib site is running pokey right now. Tim -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of David Fiander Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting? So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Hmmm. No one has brought up how increasingly onerous it has become to travel to the U.S., as a Canadian or non-U.S resident (and particularly for non-Canadian, non-US residents who are fingerprinted on each visit!). This should should not be discounted, as much as I enjoy visiting place like Montpelier, close to where I have some good friends... -glen On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:49 PM, John Fereira wrote: Although Kingston is closest to me... +1 for Ottawa +1 for Montreal Agreed on the above. Any reason to return to Montreal is a good one, but I'd consider heading up for any of these locations. I'll be busy in late April so if you end up pushing the schedule back a bit I might crash the party. Great that you're doing this!
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Ottawa (first choice). If it's in Ottawa anytime soon, and someone volunteers a location, I will help organize. Order of preference from there: Kingston, Montreal, Toronto. John Tim Ribaric wrote: Hello all, Chiming in a bit late but my vote would be for Kingston. Also for those driving it would be possible to arrange some ride sharing, ala code4lib 2009... I'd find the link on the wiki but the code4lib site is running pokey right now. Tim -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of David Fiander Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting? So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order to ensure you will be able to attend. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:10, Thomas Dowling tdowl...@ohiolink.edu wrote: On 01/20/2010 02:03 PM, Glen Newton wrote: Hmmm. No one has brought up how increasingly onerous it has become to travel to the U.S., as a Canadian or non-U.S resident (and particularly for non-Canadian, non-US residents who are fingerprinted on each visit!). This should should not be discounted, as much as I enjoy visiting place like Montpelier, close to where I have some good friends... We could have a joint meeting in Sarnia/Port Huron and just shout across the river to each other! (Windsor/Detroit might be too loud.)
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-01-20 12:10, Thomas Dowling wrote: On 01/20/2010 02:03 PM, Glen Newton wrote: Hmmm. No one has brought up how increasingly onerous it has become to travel to the U.S., as a Canadian or non-U.S resident (and particularly for non-Canadian, non-US residents who are fingerprinted on each visit!). This should should not be discounted, as much as I enjoy visiting place like Montpelier, close to where I have some good friends... We could have a joint meeting in Sarnia/Port Huron and just shout across the river to each other! (Windsor/Detroit might be too loud.) While I took the reference to Montpelier to refer to John Fereira's mention of the city in France (and not to the town in Vermont), Glen's point is well-taken and, from what I observed on my trip to ALA Midwinter in Boston, not widely familiar to US residents. I arrived for an 8.10am flight from Edmonton at approximately 5.30am last Thursday morning. I actually got on the plane at 8.05am, and there were others still behind me in line. Quite literally, it took less time for me to fly the leg from Edmonton to Minneapolis, than it did to board the plane in Edmonton. And then to discovery that *none* of this enhanced regime is currently implemented in the US reduced the entire exercise to optics of the most cynical sort. TSA is enforcing on foreign-originated flights levels of intrusive security and inconvenience that would be unsustainable and politically unacceptable in the US. Have we forgotten from where the September 11th flights originated? Apologies for the off-topic drift, but you all ought to be aware of this... - - mt - -- * Marc Truitt Associate University Librarian, Bibliographic and Information Voice : 780-492-4770 Technology Services e-mail : marc.tru...@ualberta.ca University of Alberta Libraries fax: 780-492-9243 Cameron Library cell : 780-217-0356 Edmonton, AB T6G 2J8 Then unsuspecting Chlorine felt a magnetic pull. She looked down and her outside shell was full. Sodium cried, What a gas! Be my bride! And I'll change your name from Chlorine to Chloride... --Kate McGarrigle, 1979 * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLV1rDAAoJEEqQdEilOOU4rNwH/0i7AoUc5fS0GTrg6oAN9pzA nViQm2g1/ak4mOFGw0TKg+3/UWq1CxF1GCkLAvFQTNFtW41YRTzJ5KcAKVPWyGCL P7Fvn0KC5MeHt/z/yytCC0jy6ZZrFYIGA0jGUhjRcR5161tfLo6Ac4QQZDlZo7G9 fVmLJz29cMdEsH3OVwAz3+7xABrW2mZZ8OrTkJu5gI/6sd4Gc8NHsMt3SBh2IXkD +SBPjaTH0pMQXaPVb7kYo0Z0ugjonpyLZHL3vlegIYaYttkWok9ovfPfRvPQ84Ti Q6X9UPmxGHb95qiZubLuNyPHgJlFkHlUqqCt0ZcKVh9bBW2TVR1GaTR3OAmb5VY= =eQds -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
On 20 Jan 10, at 2:30 PM, David Fiander wrote: Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order to ensure you will be able to attend. Is Canadian customs now requiring US Passports? Used to be Hotel California: you could come over, but without your passport you couldn't go home. Walter
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
I'm glad to help with the logistics of meeting Kingston, if that's the city we choose. I'd definitely prefer to meet after April (say May or June), as that's when our winter academic term ends and the Canadian weather is best. There are lots of free wireless-enabled spaces on the Queen's campus, including the Harry Potter Reading Room (formerly known as the 'purple passion pit' before it was renovated): http://library.queensu.ca/files/imagepicker/c/central/23room.jpg Regarding travel to Kingston: * VIA Rail and the bus run through Kingston several times a day * Bus lines for Kingston: Montreal and Ottawa = Greyhound, Toronto = Coach Canada * For an interesting drive from upstate NY, you can get from Cape Vincent, NY to Kingston by way of Wolfe Island + ferry. * Flying into Kingston is an option, but it's always expensive Wendy -- Wendy Huot Web Development Librarian Queen's University Library Kingston, Ontario Canada K7L 5C4 John Miedema wrote: Ottawa (first choice). If it's in Ottawa anytime soon, and someone volunteers a location, I will help organize. Order of preference from there: Kingston, Montreal, Toronto. John Tim Ribaric wrote: Hello all, Chiming in a bit late but my vote would be for Kingston. Also for those driving it would be possible to arrange some ride sharing, ala code4lib 2009... I'd find the link on the wiki but the code4lib site is running pokey right now. Tim -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of David Fiander Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting? So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David -- Wendy Huot Web Development Librarian Queen's University Library Kingston, Ontario Canada K7L 5C4 Phone: (613) 533-6000 ext 75250 Email: wendy.h...@queensu.ca
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
I'm not sure, but everybody entering the US is required to present a passport or other enhanced ID, so if the Americans don't have passports, it's more that they can't go home without. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:36, Walter Lewis lew...@hhpl.on.ca wrote: On 20 Jan 10, at 2:30 PM, David Fiander wrote: Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order to ensure you will be able to attend. Is Canadian customs now requiring US Passports? Used to be Hotel California: you could come over, but without your passport you couldn't go home. Walter
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
BTW, Montreal IS a Canadian city. P. Avendano -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of David Fiander Sent: Wednesday, 20 January, 2010 14:30 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting? Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order to ensure you will be able to attend. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:10, Thomas Dowling tdowl...@ohiolink.edu wrote: On 01/20/2010 02:03 PM, Glen Newton wrote: Hmmm. No one has brought up how increasingly onerous it has become to travel to the U.S., as a Canadian or non-U.S resident (and particularly for non-Canadian, non-US residents who are fingerprinted on each visit!). This should should not be discounted, as much as I enjoy visiting place like Montpelier, close to where I have some good friends... We could have a joint meeting in Sarnia/Port Huron and just shout across the river to each other! (Windsor/Detroit might be too loud.)
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
On 20 Jan 10, at 2:39 PM, Wendy Huot wrote: Regarding travel to Kingston: * For an interesting drive from upstate NY, you can get from Cape Vincent, NY to Kingston by way of Wolfe Island + ferry. Driving across the Thousand Islands Bridge is faster, but the interesting quotient goes way up via Wolfe Island (two ferries: one cheap, one free) Walter
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Americans can no longer get into Canada without passports, even driving accross the border. Not even a birth certificate will do anymore. Officially this went into effect last spring sometime, but they had a delayed grace period, which I'm guessing is up, or at least I wouldn't want to risk it. (And, indeed, i remember when I could get into Canada over the Detroit River just saying American, going for lunch.) David Fiander wrote: I'm not sure, but everybody entering the US is required to present a passport or other enhanced ID, so if the Americans don't have passports, it's more that they can't go home without. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:36, Walter Lewis lew...@hhpl.on.ca wrote: On 20 Jan 10, at 2:30 PM, David Fiander wrote: Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order to ensure you will be able to attend. Is Canadian customs now requiring US Passports? Used to be Hotel California: you could come over, but without your passport you couldn't go home. Walter
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
Walter plans on going to Kingston by way of Buffalo and Cape Vincent, just so he can take the ferries. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:45, Walter Lewis lew...@hhpl.on.ca wrote: On 20 Jan 10, at 2:39 PM, Wendy Huot wrote: Regarding travel to Kingston: * For an interesting drive from upstate NY, you can get from Cape Vincent, NY to Kingston by way of Wolfe Island + ferry. Driving across the Thousand Islands Bridge is faster, but the interesting quotient goes way up via Wolfe Island (two ferries: one cheap, one free) Walter
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
On 20 Jan 10, at 2:53 PM, David Fiander wrote: Walter plans on going to Kingston by way of Buffalo and Cape Vincent, just so he can take the ferries. I've done just that, ... taking in a few lighthouses and harbours along the way! (and special collections at Cornell and Syracuse). Walter
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
And the benefits of coming to Kingston don't end with the well connected meeting spaces, there's also an excellent collection of shivs on display at the local prison museum. http://www.penitentiarymuseum.ca/ Really, what more incentive do you need? -Michael _ Michael Vandenburg | Systems Librarian | Queen's University Libraries Kingston ON, K7L 5C4 | 613-533-6000 x 74536 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Wendy Huot Sent: January 20, 2010 2:39 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting? I'm glad to help with the logistics of meeting Kingston, if that's the city we choose. I'd definitely prefer to meet after April (say May or June), as that's when our winter academic term ends and the Canadian weather is best. There are lots of free wireless-enabled spaces on the Queen's campus, including the Harry Potter Reading Room (formerly known as the 'purple passion pit' before it was renovated): http://library.queensu.ca/files/imagepicker/c/central/23room.jpg Regarding travel to Kingston: * VIA Rail and the bus run through Kingston several times a day * Bus lines for Kingston: Montreal and Ottawa = Greyhound, Toronto = Coach Canada * For an interesting drive from upstate NY, you can get from Cape Vincent, NY to Kingston by way of Wolfe Island + ferry. * Flying into Kingston is an option, but it's always expensive Wendy -- Wendy Huot Web Development Librarian Queen's University Library Kingston, Ontario Canada K7L 5C4 John Miedema wrote: Ottawa (first choice). If it's in Ottawa anytime soon, and someone volunteers a location, I will help organize. Order of preference from there: Kingston, Montreal, Toronto. John Tim Ribaric wrote: Hello all, Chiming in a bit late but my vote would be for Kingston. Also for those driving it would be possible to arrange some ride sharing, ala code4lib 2009... I'd find the link on the wiki but the code4lib site is running pokey right now. Tim -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of David Fiander Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting? So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the center of known space to let's all visit Dan!: - Toronto - Kingston - Ottawa - Sudbury - Montreal Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we end up in Toronto, again. I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal! But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host. If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel arrangements. - David -- Wendy Huot Web Development Librarian Queen's University Library Kingston, Ontario Canada K7L 5C4 Phone: (613) 533-6000 ext 75250 Email: wendy.h...@queensu.ca
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
My ranked ordering: Kingston Montreal Ottawa Toronto It may easier to fly to the non-Kingston cities, but train/bus is easy and it's in the middle of the Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal hub. Ridesharing would be easy and people could get there after work for the next day. Library geeks from around here have probably been to Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal (and Hamilton) fairly recently for conferences. Not Kingston, though. Plus I want to visit. And Wendy Huot's ready to help set things up, and Michael Vandenburg and Martha Whitehead are there ... For time, I prefer May/June. What about the weekend of Friday 14 May - Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or starting Thursday night and happening Friday? That's the weekend before Victoria Day. (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!) Is there any American holiday happening in there? Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?
On 01/20/2010 03:39 PM, William Denton wrote: For time, I prefer May/June. What about the weekend of Friday 14 May - Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or starting Thursday night and happening Friday? That's the weekend before Victoria Day. (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!) Is there any American holiday happening in there? Bill Memorial Day in the US is late this year, May 31st. That's the only holiday in May that I'm aware of. - pascal
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I think Pascal is correct that the only US holiday to worry about in May or June is Memorial Day. The other thing to worry about is other conferences. I know some Code4Lib types go to ELUNA, for example. This year ELUNA is, Sunday, May 9--Thursday, May 13. Since I'm on the ELUNA SC (as is Pascal), I might have a tough time with a date that was right after the ELUNA conference (esp. since it sounds like we may have post-conference meetings). Maybe once a location is decided., something like a Doodle (http://www.doodle.com/) can be set up with available dates and people can vote on what works for them and whichever dates works for the most people is the winner. Edward Pascal Calarco wrote: On 01/20/2010 03:39 PM, William Denton wrote: For time, I prefer May/June. What about the weekend of Friday 14 May - Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or starting Thursday night and happening Friday? That's the weekend before Victoria Day. (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!) Is there any American holiday happening in there? Bill Memorial Day in the US is late this year, May 31st. That's the only holiday in May that I'm aware of. - pascal
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Further for days that might not be good in May... It might be best to avoid May 10 and 11 as that is the date of the 'Canadian ETD and Open Repository Workshop' http://conferences.uvic.ca/index.php?conference=etdschedConf=etd_May_2010 I'm sure some code4libers will probably be at that one. Myself included. Tim -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Pascal Calarco Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting? On 01/20/2010 03:39 PM, William Denton wrote: For time, I prefer May/June. What about the weekend of Friday 14 May - Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or starting Thursday night and happening Friday? That's the weekend before Victoria Day. (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!) Is there any American holiday happening in there? Bill Memorial Day in the US is late this year, May 31st. That's the only holiday in May that I'm aware of. - pascal
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I guess I am also thinking that I wouldn't worry too much about flight patterns/prices for a local Code4Lib. With all of the hassles and expense of flying, it is not typically a good option for someone nearby. While it would be great to get people from a distance (and I am still considering going to Code4Lib NorthWest), I don't see that as the reason for local Code4Libs. If someone want to figure out how to get to a local from a distance, that's great and they should be welcomed, but I don't think that should be a planning concern. I would focus more on local modes of transport (trains, buses, cars, motorcycles, bicycles, scooters, etc.). Edward Patrick M. Lozeau wrote: I would of loved to get people up to Montreal (bagels anybody?), but I must admit that Kingston is dead in the middle for a lot of us (Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, NY state) and could be the easiest and cheapest for traveling. Second half of May sounds great. Patrick Patrick M. Lozeau Le 2010-01-20 à 15:39, William Denton a écrit : My ranked ordering: Kingston Montreal Ottawa Toronto It may easier to fly to the non-Kingston cities, but train/bus is easy and it's in the middle of the Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal hub. Ridesharing would be easy and people could get there after work for the next day. Library geeks from around here have probably been to Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal (and Hamilton) fairly recently for conferences. Not Kingston, though. Plus I want to visit. And Wendy Huot's ready to help set things up, and Michael Vandenburg and Martha Whitehead are there ... For time, I prefer May/June. What about the weekend of Friday 14 May - Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or starting Thursday night and happening Friday? That's the weekend before Victoria Day. (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!) Is there any American holiday happening in there? Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
