Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Ed Summers
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Jakob Voss jakob.v...@gbv.de wrote: If you want to put bibliographic metadata into twitter annotations (good idea) you first need to clarify the basic purpose of embedding this information. I see two of them: I. Identification: To identify other tweets and

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jakob Voss
Hi it's funny how quickly you vote against BibTeX, but at least it is a format that is frequently used in the wild to create citations. If you call BibTeX undocumented and garbage then how do you call MARC which is far more difficult to make use of? My assumption was that there is a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Ed Summers
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Jakob Voss jakob.v...@gbv.de wrote: P.S: An example of a CSL record from the JavaScript client: { title: True Crime Radio and Listener Disenchantment with Network Broadcasting, 1935-1946,  author: [ {    family: Razlogova,    given: Elena  } ],  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Owen Stephens
We've had problems with RIS on a recent project. Although there is a specification (http://www.refman.com/support/risformat_intro.asp), it is (I feel) lacking enough rigour to ever be implemented consistently. The most common issue in the wild that I've seen is use of different tags for the same

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jakob Voss
Ed Summers wrote: II. Description: To nicely show which publication someone refers to. I think this is right. I wonder, would you consider a potential use case for Description to also provide machine readable data for a resource when a standard identifier is not known? There are lookup

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Walker, David
I was also just working on DOI with RIS. It looks like both Endnote and Refworks recognize 'DO' for DOIs. But apparently Zotero does not. If Zotero supported it, I'd say we'd have a de facto standard on our hands. In fact, I couldn't figure out how to pass a DOI to Zotero using RIS. Or, at

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Owen Stephens
Unfortunately RefWorks only imports DO - not exports! We now recommend using RefWorks XML when exporting (for our project) - which is fine, but not publicly documented as far as I know :( Zotero recommend using BibTex for importing from RefWorks I think Owen On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:05 PM,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread MJ Suhonos
- there is a JavaScript CSL-Processor. JavaScript is kind of a punishment but it is the natural environment for the Web 2.0 Mashup crowd that is going to implement applications that use Twitter annotations A quick word of caution here; we got excited about citeproc-js until learning that it

[CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread Andrew Ashton
I¹m looking for some background information on Microsoft¹s Zentity (their digital repository software). If anyone has first-hand experience working with it, or if you know of institutions that have implemented it, please contact me. Thanks, Andy Ashton Senior Research Programmer Center for

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread David Kane
Andy, It is a highly extensible platform, based on .NET and windows. It is also open source! We did install it and have a play around with it. But not as much as we would have liked, primarily because of skillset and resource issues here. Microsoft have come late into the repository space,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jakob Voss wrote: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. Ah, but for better or for worse, that's not the world we live in. We have LOTS of publications that either lack such identifiers altogether, or where

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jakob Voss wrote: There are lookup services to get a standard identifier when only some bibliographic data is known - mainly OpenURL. A standard identifier is not always _available_ -- even if you have access to a service to look up standard identifiers ( a not neccesarily realistic

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread David Kane
Zentity is entirely consistent with their market strategy. It would be defeatist of them to take such an attitude. Why would they write software for a non-microsoft platform? They have made some good software, which should be useful and is in a good position to leverge the functionality of other

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread Cowles, Esme
On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM, David Kane wrote: Why would they write software for a non-microsoft platform? I'll just point out that other OS vendors (Apple, Sun, Ubuntu, etc.) write software for other platforms. -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu Men feared witches and burnt women. --

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread David Kane
So what? On 28 April 2010 15:37, Cowles, Esme escow...@ucsd.edu wrote: On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:25 AM, David Kane wrote: Why would they write software for a non-microsoft platform? I'll just point out that other OS vendors (Apple, Sun, Ubuntu, etc.) write software for other platforms.

[CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Repository manager (library)

2010-04-28 Thread Alexander O'Neill
http://www.upei.ca/humanres/44E10 Date of Posting: Apr 23 2010 ROBERTSON LIBRARY / OFFICE OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ISLANDORA PROJECT / REPOSITORY MANAGER (LIBRARY) FULL-TIME TEMPORARY TERM POSITION Competition Number: 44E10 The Robertson Library is seeking applications for a qualified

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Has anyone actually gotten up a _server-side_ process that uses CSL to produce formatted citations? Using the citeproc-js with a certain custom compiled js interpreter, or anything else? This is what I'm interested in -- I'm not concerned with making it run in a browser, so custom compiled

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread Ethan Gruber
David is right that Microsoft would never develop for multiple platforms because that would undermine their business model, which is of course, to duplicate efforts and reject international standards (or make Microsoft the standard for everything). Fortunately, Microsoft is losing its grip on

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jakob Voss
Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Jakob Voss wrote: I. Identifiy publication = this can *only* be done seriously with identifiers like ISBN, DOI, OCLCNum, LCCN etc. Ah, but for better or for worse, that's not the world we live in. We have LOTS of publications that either lack such identifiers

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread Ross Singer
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Houghton,Andrew hough...@oclc.org wrote: If its open source, I assume that it could be adapted to run under Mono and then you could run it on Linux, Macs, etc.  It may even run under Mono, don't know, haven't played with it. Well, it requires SQLServer, so

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jakob Voss wrote: Call me pedantic but if you do not have an identifier than there is no hope to identity the publication by means of metadata. You only *describe* it with metadata and use additional heuristics (mostly search engines) to hopefully identify the publication based on the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread Houghton,Andrew
Well... it kind of requires SQL Server. The project page says that it uses the Entity Framework and Link, and that means you can use MySQL or Oracle since there is an ADO.NET adapter for them. Microsoft has a plugable data layer that anyone can write an adapter for. Andy. -Original

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread Ross Singer
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the major flaw of the software is that it isn't cross-platform, which comes as no surprise.  But I feel Microsoft didn't do their market research.  While the financial and business sectors are heavily

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread Edward M. Corrado
Ross Singer wrote: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that the major flaw of the software is that it isn't cross-platform, which comes as no surprise. But I feel Microsoft didn't do their market research. While the financial and business

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread Johnston, Leslie
Microsoft certainly has developed for other platforms in the past, but they've greatly reduced that activity. Keep in mind that one of the key aspects of Zentity is its integration with Microsoft desktop products. If the goal is to get faculty to deposit their own content -- simplifying their

[CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Library Applications Developer at Brown University

2010-04-28 Thread jean rainwater
The Brown University Library invites applications for a talented software developer to design new and innovative web-based library services, systems, and tools which anticipate the needs of library users. In addition to developing new applications, the incumbent makes creative use of APIs and

[CODE4LIB] MODS and DCTERMS

2010-04-28 Thread MJ Suhonos
Hi all, I'm digging into earlier threads on Code4Lib and NGC4lib and trying to get some concrete examples around the DCTERMS element set — maybe I haven't been a subscriber for long enough. What I'm looking for in particular are things I can work with *in code/implementation*, most notably:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Zentity

2010-04-28 Thread Erik Hetzner
At Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:11:39 +0100, David Kane wrote: Andy, It is a highly extensible platform, based on .NET and windows. It is also open source! […] Here is the license:

[CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed

2010-04-28 Thread Ryan Ordway
I need to move the server that hosts the code4lib.org website into another rack to make room for some other equipment, when is a good time to do this? -- Ryan Ordway E-mail: rord...@oregonstate.edu Unix Systems Administrator

[CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Electronic Resources Librarian - Western State College of Colorado

2010-04-28 Thread Jeremy Nelson
Please excuse the cross-postings: Electronic Resources Librarian, Leslie J. Savage Library, Western State College of Colorado Western State College of Colorado seeks a dynamic, service-oriented librarian to provide leadership in organizing and providing access to the library's electronic

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed

2010-04-28 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
Late February or so would be ideal. -Mike On Apr 28, 2010 3:15 PM, Ryan Ordway rord...@oregonstate.edu wrote: I need to move the server that hosts the code4lib.org website into another rack to make room for some other equipment, when is a good time to do this? -- Ryan Ordway

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed

2010-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Eh, just do it when you've got to do it, says me. Just let us know in advance when you're scheduling to do it, and how long you think the outage will be, and maybe remind us what services are effected if you know either! Please don't wake up at 4am for your unpaid gig for us, we've got to do

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed

2010-04-28 Thread Edward M. Corrado
I vote for Christmas morning. Seriously, whenever is good for you is fine, just let the list know a little in advanced. Edward Michael J. Giarlo wrote: Late February or so would be ideal. -Mike On Apr 28, 2010 3:15 PM, Ryan Ordway rord...@oregonstate.edu wrote: I need to move the server

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed

2010-04-28 Thread Kyle Banerjee
Alternatively, just do it anytime and suggest a temporary network issue that you don't have time to investigate probably was to blame if anyone whines On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.uswrote: I vote for Christmas morning.

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed

2010-04-28 Thread Jennifer O'Donnell
I second Kyle's suggestion. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.comwrote: Alternatively, just do it anytime and suggest a temporary network issue that you don't have time to investigate probably was to blame if anyone whines On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:41

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-28 Thread Eric Hellman
I mean, really, if the folks at RefWorks, EndNote, Papers, Zotero and LibX don't have crash programs underway to integrate Twitter clients into their software to send and receive reference metadata payloads they can use in the Twitter annotation field, they really ought to hire me to come and

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed

2010-04-28 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010, Ryan Ordway wrote: I need to move the server that hosts the code4lib.org website into another rack to make room for some other equipment, when is a good time to do this? You power down machines when moving them? Oh, sure, do it the easy way. (After waiting 2 months for

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib server downtime needed

2010-04-28 Thread Ryan Ordway
With redundant power supplies and trunked network interfaces I could do it with zero downtime. But I'm lazy. :) -- Ryan Ordway E-mail: rord...@oregonstate.edu Unix Systems Administrator rord...@library.oregonstate.edu OSU Libraries, Corvallis, OR 97331