Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

[Hahn, Harvey]

Andrew Nagy wrote:
|Hello - I am curious if anyone knows of a way to access the 
|entire collection of authority records from the LOC.  It seems 
|that the only way to access them know is one record at a time. 
| Feel free to email me off line if you are uncomfortable 
|posting a response to the list.

See Ed Summers' (who's on this list) LCSH/SKOS project at
http://lcsh.info/


Harvey
 
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Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

[Bryan Baldus]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2008 4:17 PM, Nate Vack wrote:
>Huh. They claim copyright of these records. I'd somehow thought:
>1: The federal government can't hold copyrights

The page [1] states:

"Copyright"
"Records in the MARC Distribution Services originating with the Library of 
Congress are copyrighted by the Library of Congress for use outside the United 
States. Subscribers are granted copyright permission to selectively 
redistribute records outside the United States; contact LC prior to any 
distribution."

So, in the U.S., they are not copyrightable, but outside the U.S. some 
copyright claim might be justified.

> 2: As purely factual data, catalog records are conceptually uncopyrightable

For the most part, personally I would agree with this, at least for individual 
records (though some parts of the record, like the 520 summaries, might contain 
enough original creativity that could be considered copyrightable). Others 
might believe otherwise, at least as it pertains to the collection of the 
records as a whole--for example, OCLC's copyright claims on their database of 
records.

##

On the Fred 2.0 records, aside from their age, I wish they were available in 
MARC 21 format rather than XML with NFC encoding. When I tried to use MarcEdit 
to convert the files from XML to MARC 21 (January 2007), I ran into issues with 
character encodings. The files also seemed to lack header lines like:

http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim";>

[1] 

Thank you for your assistance,

Bryan Baldus
Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
1-800-323-4241x402
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

[David Fiander]

One of the most important pages in the print volumes of the Library of
Congress Subject Headings (LCSH), is the title page verso, which
includes publication and copyright details. The folks at LC very
clearly understand US copyright law, since on that page you can see
that they claim that the LCSH is copyright LC _outside of the United
States of America_.

The same probably holds true for the copyright claim on the name
authority files. You folks in the United States can do what you will
with impunity, but us unwashed masses beyond your shores are likely to
get in trouble. Probably the next time we attempt to cross the border.

- David

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Jason Griffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As I mentioned, they are available from Ibiblio on the link above. The
> copyright claim is...well...specious at best. But no one really wants
> to be the one to go to court and prove it. They've been publicly
> available for more than a year now on the Fred 2.0 site, and they
> haven't been sued, to my knowledge.
>
> Jason
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Nate Vack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Bryan Baldus
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> One way (as you likely know) (official, expensive) is via The Library of 
>>> Congress Cataloging Distribution Service:
>>
>> Huh. They claim copyright of these records. I'd somehow thought:
>>
>> 1: The federal government can't hold copyrights
>>
>> 2: As purely factual data, catalog records are conceptually uncopyrightable
>>
>> Anyone who knows more about this than I do know if they're *really*
>> copyrighted, or if it's more of a "we're gonna try and say they're
>> copyrighted and hope no one ignores us"?
>>
>> Curious,
>> -Nate
>>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

[Jason Griffey]

As I mentioned, they are available from Ibiblio on the link above. The
copyright claim is...well...specious at best. But no one really wants
to be the one to go to court and prove it. They've been publicly
available for more than a year now on the Fred 2.0 site, and they
haven't been sued, to my knowledge.

Jason


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Nate Vack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Bryan Baldus
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> One way (as you likely know) (official, expensive) is via The Library of 
>> Congress Cataloging Distribution Service:
>
> Huh. They claim copyright of these records. I'd somehow thought:
>
> 1: The federal government can't hold copyrights
>
> 2: As purely factual data, catalog records are conceptually uncopyrightable
>
> Anyone who knows more about this than I do know if they're *really*
> copyrighted, or if it's more of a "we're gonna try and say they're
> copyrighted and hope no one ignores us"?
>
> Curious,
> -Nate
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

[Nate Vack]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Bryan Baldus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One way (as you likely know) (official, expensive) is via The Library of 
> Congress Cataloging Distribution Service:

Huh. They claim copyright of these records. I'd somehow thought:

1: The federal government can't hold copyrights

2: As purely factual data, catalog records are conceptually uncopyrightable

Anyone who knows more about this than I do know if they're *really*
copyrighted, or if it's more of a "we're gonna try and say they're
copyrighted and hope no one ignores us"?

Curious,
-Nate

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

[Jason Griffey]

Simon Spero at UNC did a scrape of the entirety of the LoC Authority
files in Dec of 2006. They are available at Fred 2.0:

http://www.ibiblio.org/fred2.0/wordpress/?page_id=10

Jason


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Andrew Nagy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello - I am curious if anyone knows of a way to access the entire collection 
> of authority records from the LOC.  It seems that the only way to access them 
> know is one record at a time.  Feel free to email me off line if you are 
> uncomfortable posting a response to the list.
>
> Thanks
> Andrew
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

[Bryan Baldus]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:35 PM, Andrew Nagy wrote:
>Hello - I am curious if anyone knows of a way to access the entire collection 
>of authority records from the LOC.  It seems that the only way to access them 
>know is one record at a time.  Feel free to email me off line if you are 
>uncomfortable posting a response to the list.<

One way (as you likely know) (official, expensive) is via The Library of 
Congress Cataloging Distribution Service:

:

LC Authority Files
Name Authorities
MARC records for personal, corporate, conference, and geographical name 
headings, uniform titles, and series established by LC and cooperating 
libraries under the National Coordinated Cataloging Operations (NACO) program. 
Names written in non-roman script appear in romanized form only. Available in 
MARC 21 and MARCXML formats.

2008 Subscription: Available weekly. Approximately 450,000 records; including 
250,000 new records.

2008 Price: $10,565

Retrospective: 1977-2007. 7,000,000 records. File size: 3,350 MB. Avg. record 
length: 479 bytes.

2008 Price: $10,675



Otherwise, as far as I am aware, the files that are available (for free) are 
less than current.

I hope this helps,

Bryan Baldus
Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
1-800-323-4241x402
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

[Andrew Nagy]

Hello - I am curious if anyone knows of a way to access the entire collection 
of authority records from the LOC.  It seems that the only way to access them 
know is one record at a time.  Feel free to email me off line if you are 
uncomfortable posting a response to the list.

Thanks
Andrew

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

[Roy Tennant]

Since we've been getting a variety of responses to my suggestion that now
may be a good time to establish a graphic identity for Code4Lib, I've set up
a poll to try to gauge the sense of the community on this issue. Please see
.
Roy

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

[Edward M. Corrado]

Thomas Dowling wrote:

On 09/23/2008 09:38 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote:

  

Personally, I'd just type "code4lib" in Helvitica, save it as a .png and be 
done with it



A proprietary font?  I suspect that DejaVu Sans Mono is more simpatico
with code4lib.  :-)

  

Well, if we are going to pay for something... but I concede your point.

Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)?




How about trademark ownership and permissions for any logo?  I'd hate to
see any conflict or misunderstanding down the road about who can put the
logo on what, who can sell t-shirts with it, etc.


  
Good point. I don't particularly care what we decide, but I think we do 
need to come up with a group decision about this issue.


Edward

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

[Thomas Dowling]

On 09/23/2008 09:38 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote:

> Personally, I'd just type "code4lib" in Helvitica, save it as a .png and be 
> done with it

A proprietary font?  I suspect that DejaVu Sans Mono is more simpatico
with code4lib.  :-)

> 
> Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)?
> 

How about trademark ownership and permissions for any logo?  I'd hate to
see any conflict or misunderstanding down the road about who can put the
logo on what, who can sell t-shirts with it, etc.


-- 
Thomas Dowling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

[Nicolas Morin]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM, wally grotophorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I'll risk ostracism and admit that I think this concern with a logo is a
> little too corporate for my sensibilities.


But then that'd be part of the guidelines given to the designer: the logo
shouldn't look too corporate if it's to represent what the code4lib
community is about...
Nicolas




>
>
> -- Wally
>
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote:
>
>  I am still not convinced we need a professional designed logo, but it
>> seems most people who responded to this thread do, so I'm happy to go along
>> with it. Personally, I'd just type "code4lib" in Helvitica, save it as a
>> .png and be done with it :-).
>>
>> Compared to the other links we have seen, I like what I have seen on
>> Stephanie Brinley's site better than the other sites that were posted. The
>> logos are simple, yet memorable and in some way elegant. At any point, it
>> seems we should have some sort of vote and come to a decision on how we are
>> going to proceed.
>>
>> If I recall, our choices are:
>>
>> 1) Go with http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/
>> 2) Go with Susan Brinley's Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/
>> 3) Use a design contest method on http://99designs.com/
>> 4) Have people submit a logo for the community to vote on like we did for
>> conference t-shirts
>>
>> Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)?
>>
>> Edward
>>
>>
>> Carol Bean wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know who Roy or the others have in mind, but I like what I see at
>>> adeliedesign.com.
>>>
>>> Given her requirements, which don't seem too unreasonable, I wonder if we
>>> could start with the code4lib community making the choice of which
>>> designer
>>> to work with?
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Brinley <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Dear Code4Lib,

 Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the
 Code4Lib
 community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about
 the
 logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree
 with
 Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities
 under a unified brand.

 Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your
 community.
 To
 that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one
 request
 would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer,
 rather
 than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many
 people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy
 said,
 not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the
 input
 and ideas from the community.

 As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to
 handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large.
 I'll
 start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and
 we'll go from there.

 What do you think?

 Sincerely,
 Stephanie Brinley
 President, Adelie Design

 http://www.AdelieDesign.com/



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

[wally grotophorst]

I'll risk ostracism and admit that I think this concern with a logo is  
a little too corporate for my sensibilities.


-- Wally



On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote:

I am still not convinced we need a professional designed logo, but  
it seems most people who responded to this thread do, so I'm happy  
to go along with it. Personally, I'd just type "code4lib" in  
Helvitica, save it as a .png and be done with it :-).


Compared to the other links we have seen, I like what I have seen on  
Stephanie Brinley's site better than the other sites that were  
posted. The logos are simple, yet memorable and in some way elegant.  
At any point, it seems we should have some sort of vote and come to  
a decision on how we are going to proceed.


If I recall, our choices are:

1) Go with http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/
2) Go with Susan Brinley's Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/
3) Use a design contest method on http://99designs.com/
4) Have people submit a logo for the community to vote on like we  
did for conference t-shirts


Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be  
discussed)?


Edward


Carol Bean wrote:
I don't know who Roy or the others have in mind, but I like what I  
see at

adeliedesign.com.

Given her requirements, which don't seem too unreasonable, I wonder  
if we
could start with the code4lib community making the choice of which  
designer

to work with?

Carol

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Brinley <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Dear Code4Lib,

Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the  
Code4Lib
community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me  
about the
logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I  
agree with
Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its  
activities

under a unified brand.

Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your  
community.

To
that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one  
request
would be that you actually work with me as a professional  
designer, rather
than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to  
many
people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as  
Roy said,
not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge  
the input

and ideas from the community.

As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small  
committee to
handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at  
large. I'll
start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment  
on, and

we'll go from there.

What do you think?

Sincerely,
Stephanie Brinley
President, Adelie Design

http://www.AdelieDesign.com/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

[Edward M. Corrado]

I am still not convinced we need a professional designed logo, but it 
seems most people who responded to this thread do, so I'm happy to go 
along with it. Personally, I'd just type "code4lib" in Helvitica, save 
it as a .png and be done with it :-).


Compared to the other links we have seen, I like what I have seen on 
Stephanie Brinley's site better than the other sites that were posted. 
The logos are simple, yet memorable and in some way elegant. At any 
point, it seems we should have some sort of vote and come to a decision 
on how we are going to proceed.


If I recall, our choices are:

1) Go with http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/
2) Go with Susan Brinley's Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/
3) Use a design contest method on http://99designs.com/
4) Have people submit a logo for the community to vote on like we did 
for conference t-shirts


Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)?

Edward


Carol Bean wrote:

I don't know who Roy or the others have in mind, but I like what I see at
adeliedesign.com.

Given her requirements, which don't seem too unreasonable, I wonder if we
could start with the code4lib community making the choice of which designer
to work with?

Carol

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Brinley <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Dear Code4Lib,

Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib
community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the
logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with
Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities
under a unified brand.

Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community.
To
that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request
would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather
than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many
people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said,
not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input
and ideas from the community.

As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to
handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll
start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and
we'll go from there.

What do you think?

Sincerely,
Stephanie Brinley
President, Adelie Design

http://www.AdelieDesign.com/






  

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

[Carol Bean]

I don't know who Roy or the others have in mind, but I like what I see at
adeliedesign.com.

Given her requirements, which don't seem too unreasonable, I wonder if we
could start with the code4lib community making the choice of which designer
to work with?

Carol

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Brinley <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear Code4Lib,
>
> Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib
> community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the
> logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with
> Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities
> under a unified brand.
>
> Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community.
> To
> that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request
> would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather
> than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many
> people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said,
> not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input
> and ideas from the community.
>
> As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to
> handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll
> start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and
> we'll go from there.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Sincerely,
> Stephanie Brinley
> President, Adelie Design
>
> http://www.AdelieDesign.com/
>



-- 
Carol Bean
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

[Stephanie Brinley]

Dear Code4Lib,

Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib
community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the
logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with
Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities
under a unified brand.

Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community. To
that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request
would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather
than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many
people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said,
not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input
and ideas from the community.

As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to
handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll
start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and
we'll go from there.

What do you think?

Sincerely,
Stephanie Brinley
President, Adelie Design

http://www.AdelieDesign.com/