Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Thomale, J
> Jason, it seems that what you are suggesting is the DC terms can be > re-used in lots of different contexts, and that is true and that is a > Good Thing. You have to create the context to use them in, but the > "coreness" of DC is quite deliberate in that way. Library data is much > more about co

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Ross Singer
Whew -- just hit discard on my last message. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > then my question is: has B changed? In other words, is B of class X the same > as B of class Y? (Assuming that both B's have the same URI.). "B" (for our purposes we'll say it's "http://example.org

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Karen Coyle
Karen Coyle wrote: The above looks really odd to me -- I'm not at all sure that you can use the class Agent in that way I was of the impression that classes are used in metadata definitions, but not in instances. Am I wrong? I'll answer my own question: yes, I'm wrong. Here's an example

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Karen Coyle
Ross Singer wrote: Jason clarified what I meant much better than I did, but I will take this a step further -- the DC properties have ranges, but only 5 have a constraint on their domain. So while dct:creator has to point at a dct:Agent (or some equivalent), where the dct:creator property lives

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Karen Coyle
Jason, it seems that what you are suggesting is the DC terms can be re-used in lots of different contexts, and that is true and that is a Good Thing. You have to create the context to use them in, but the "coreness" of DC is quite deliberate in that way. Library data is much more about control

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Ross Singer
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > Ross Singer wrote: >> >> One of the problems here is that it doesn't begin to address the DCAM >> -- these are 59 properties that can be reused among 22 classes, giving >> them different semantic meaning. >> > > Uh, no. That's the opposite of wh

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Thomale, J
> Ross Singer wrote: > > > > One of the problems here is that it doesn't begin to address the DCAM > > -- these are 59 properties that can be reused among 22 classes, > giving > > them different semantic meaning. > > > > Uh, no. That's the opposite of what the DC terms are about. Each term > has a

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Robert Forkel
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > What I WOULD like to see is a good vocabulary of basics -- date, time, > place, currency, etc etc etc. One place where you know you can go and find > all of those key building blocks, so you don't have to hunt all over god's > little acre for s

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Karen Coyle
Ross Singer wrote: One of the problems here is that it doesn't begin to address the DCAM -- these are 59 properties that can be reused among 22 classes, giving them different semantic meaning. Uh, no. That's the opposite of what the DC terms are about. Each term has a defined range -- so t

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Ross Singer
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: > Ross Singer wrote: >> >> 3) What, specifically, is missing from DCTerms that would make a MODS >> ontology needed?  What, specifically, is missing from Bibliontology or >> MusicOntology or FOAF or SKOS, etc. that justifies a new and, in many >>

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Karen Coyle
Ross Singer wrote: 3) What, specifically, is missing from DCTerms that would make a MODS ontology needed? What, specifically, is missing from Bibliontology or MusicOntology or FOAF or SKOS, etc. that justifies a new and, in many places, overlapping vocabulary? Would time be better spent trying

Re: [CODE4LIB] MARC/MODS and Automating Migration to Linked-Data Standards

2009-08-12 Thread Grace Agnew
I'll take a stab at this, also. I was very intrigued by Chris' work modelling MODS as an ontology. AACR2 and MODS emerged from a business model of standardizing descriptive practice in a way that could be readily applied and thus shared across disparate organizations. There are some native relat