Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Han, Yan wrote: > Currently DOI uses Handle (technology) with it social framework (i.e. > administrative body to manage DOI). In technical sense, PURL is not going to > last long. I'm not entirely sure what this is supposed to mean (re: purl), but I'm pretty sure it's not true. I'm also pretty sure there's little to no direct connection between purl and doi despite a superficial similarity in scope. -Ross.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content
To me, one of the most important selling points of DOIs over any of those other systems, is that the DOIs are starting to have brand-recognition with users. Faculty generally know what a DOI is, what it does, and the importance of having one, whereas they don't know what a PURL or a handle is. (I say this coming from a DSpace background where we have to explain what handles are, and usually end up saying "they're like DOIs" to which the audience starts nodding). Stuart Lewis IT Innovations Analyst and Developer Te Tumu Herenga The University of Auckland Library Auckland Mail Centre, Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1142, New Zealand Ph: 64 9 373-7599 x81928 http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/ On 18/11/2009, at 12:58 PM, Jodi Schneider wrote: > The first question is: what are they trying to accomplish by having DOIs? > > Do they have a long-term plan for persistence of their content? Financial > plan? > > If they're looking for persistent identifiers, I don't understand (a > priori), why DOI is better, as an identifier scheme, than any other > 'persistent identifier scheme' (ARK [1], PURL, Handle, etc[2]). (Though I > really like CrossRef and the things they're doing.) > > [1] http://www.cdlib.org/inside/diglib/ark/ > [2] http://www.persistent-identifier.de/english/204-examples.php > > -Jodi > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Bucknell, Terry < > t.d.buckn...@liverpool.ac.uk> wrote: > >> You should be able to find all the information you need about CrossRef fees >> and rules at: >> >> http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/20pub_fees.html >> >> and >> >> http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/59pub_rules.html >> >> Information about the system of registering and maintaining DOIs is at: >> >> http://www.crossref.org/help/ >> >> Note that as well as registering DOIs for the articles in LLT, LLT would be >> obliged to link to the articles cited by LLT articles (for cited articles >> that have DOIs too). Looking at the LLT site, it looks like they would have >> to change their 'abstract' pages to 'abstract plus cited refs', or change >> the way that their PDFs are created so that they include DOI links for cited >> references. (Without this the whole system would fail: publishers would >> expect traffic to come to them, but wouldn't have to send traffic >> elsewhere). >> >> I'd agree that DOIs are in general a Good Thing (and for e-books / e-book >> chapters, and reference work entries as well as e-journal articles). The >> CrossRef fees are deliberately set so as not to exclude single-title >> publishers. Here's an example of a single-title, university-based e-journal >> in the UK that provides DOIs, so it must be a CrossRef member: >> http://www.bioscience.heacademy.ac.uk/journal/. >> >> >> Terry Bucknell >> Electronic Resources Manager >> University of Liverpool >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of >> Jonathan Rochkind >> Sent: 17 November 2009 23:20 >> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU >> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content >> >> So I have no actual experience with this. >> >> But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think >> you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care >> of it. Of course, if your documents are going to be moving all over the >> place, if you run your own purl server and register your purls with >> CrossRef, then when a document moves, you can update your local purl >> server; otherwise, you can update CrossRef, heh. >> >> It certainly is useful to have DOIs, I agree. I would suggest they >> should just contact cross-ref and get information on the cost, and what >> their responsibilities are, and then they'll be able to decide. If the >> 'structure of their content' is journal articles, then, sure DOI is >> pretty handy for people wanting to cite or link to those articles. >> >> Jonathan >> >> Ranti Junus wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I was asked by somebody from a college @ my institution whether they >>> should go with assigning DOI for their journal articles: >>> http://llt.msu.edu/ >>> >>> I can see the advantage of this approach and my first thought is more >>> about whether they have resources in running their purl server, or >>> whether they would need to do it through crossref (or any other >>> agency.) Has anybody had any experience about this? >>> >>> Moreover, are there other factors that one should consider (pros and >>> cons) about this? Or, looking at the structure of their content, >>> whether they ever need DOI? Any ideas and/or suggestions? >>> >>> >>> Any insights about this is much appreciated. >>> >>> >>> thanks, >>> ranti. >>> >>> >>
Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content
Fascinating. I learned a lot from these discussions. Thank you all so much! ranti. -- Bulk mail. Postage paid.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content
Currently DOI uses Handle (technology) with it social framework (i.e. administrative body to manage DOI). In technical sense, PURL is not going to last long. Crossref handles DOI registration in U.S. In Europe and Aisa, they have other organizations to handle it. DOI is also currently going through ISO standardization process. The other fact is that DOI has the biggest number of usage than other Persistent Identifiers. More info can be found at http://www.doi.org/faq.html Yan -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jodi Schneider Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:59 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content The first question is: what are they trying to accomplish by having DOIs? Do they have a long-term plan for persistence of their content? Financial plan? If they're looking for persistent identifiers, I don't understand (a priori), why DOI is better, as an identifier scheme, than any other 'persistent identifier scheme' (ARK [1], PURL, Handle, etc[2]). (Though I really like CrossRef and the things they're doing.) [1] http://www.cdlib.org/inside/diglib/ark/ [2] http://www.persistent-identifier.de/english/204-examples.php -Jodi On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Bucknell, Terry < t.d.buckn...@liverpool.ac.uk> wrote: > You should be able to find all the information you need about CrossRef fees > and rules at: > > http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/20pub_fees.html > > and > > http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/59pub_rules.html > > Information about the system of registering and maintaining DOIs is at: > > http://www.crossref.org/help/ > > Note that as well as registering DOIs for the articles in LLT, LLT would be > obliged to link to the articles cited by LLT articles (for cited articles > that have DOIs too). Looking at the LLT site, it looks like they would have > to change their 'abstract' pages to 'abstract plus cited refs', or change > the way that their PDFs are created so that they include DOI links for cited > references. (Without this the whole system would fail: publishers would > expect traffic to come to them, but wouldn't have to send traffic > elsewhere). > > I'd agree that DOIs are in general a Good Thing (and for e-books / e-book > chapters, and reference work entries as well as e-journal articles). The > CrossRef fees are deliberately set so as not to exclude single-title > publishers. Here's an example of a single-title, university-based e-journal > in the UK that provides DOIs, so it must be a CrossRef member: > http://www.bioscience.heacademy.ac.uk/journal/. > > > Terry Bucknell > Electronic Resources Manager > University of Liverpool > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of > Jonathan Rochkind > Sent: 17 November 2009 23:20 > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content > > So I have no actual experience with this. > > But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think > you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care > of it. Of course, if your documents are going to be moving all over the > place, if you run your own purl server and register your purls with > CrossRef, then when a document moves, you can update your local purl > server; otherwise, you can update CrossRef, heh. > > It certainly is useful to have DOIs, I agree. I would suggest they > should just contact cross-ref and get information on the cost, and what > their responsibilities are, and then they'll be able to decide. If the > 'structure of their content' is journal articles, then, sure DOI is > pretty handy for people wanting to cite or link to those articles. > > Jonathan > > Ranti Junus wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I was asked by somebody from a college @ my institution whether they > > should go with assigning DOI for their journal articles: > > http://llt.msu.edu/ > > > > I can see the advantage of this approach and my first thought is more > > about whether they have resources in running their purl server, or > > whether they would need to do it through crossref (or any other > > agency.) Has anybody had any experience about this? > > > > Moreover, are there other factors that one should consider (pros and > > cons) about this? Or, looking at the structure of their content, > > whether they ever need DOI? Any ideas and/or suggestions? > > > > > > Any insights about this is much appreciated. > > > > > > thanks, > > ranti. > > > > >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Limit EBSCO Search Box Builder by date
My other problem is that I wasn't specifying the range correctly. It seems
that the range must be specified in the clvN field exactly in the
'mm-mm' format. Something I learned in asking through the website
support is that it is possible to add a more flexible range by adding it to the
ebscohostkeywords field as 'DT+' and then the range. Doing it that way I was
able to use '1999-' as the range and it worked just fine. I'm guessing it
could be added to the actual search terms as well as long as there is an 'AND'
between the range and the actual query.
Joel
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
Gorrell
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:39 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Limit EBSCO Search Box Builder by date
Hi Joel,
We're updating our documentation/the Search Box Builder site to also include
these parameters.
Search Box Builder - a form to take in the user's query/limiters/etc is
essentially a way to build up what we call a persistent link. Our link
syntax has a few basic parameters. Look at this search for "football" from
the Academic Search Premier database (db code "aph"):
http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=aph&bquery=(football)&
cli0=FT&clv0=Y&cli1=DT1&clv1=200901-200911&type=0&site=ehost-live
I've got 2 limiters in this search - Full Text and Date (200901-200911).
Our limiters are passed through cli{N} and cliv{N} key/value pairs.
So in the above - FT is the "key" for the full text limiter, and it's
"Value" is Y. For date, DT1 is the key and the date range 200901-200911 is
the value.
Other limiters that might be used would be Peer Reviewed (RV=Y) or
References Available (FR=Y) or Publication/Source (SO="value"). These are
our Search Tags. Note - that if you want to play around and see what the
URL looks like, you can use the UI, and click on the "Alert/Save/Share" link
- we show a permalink on the little popup - this (basically) is the same
persistent link you would build up through Search Box Builder.
I hope that makes sense. If you have further questions, feel free to
contact our support team - ept...@ebscohost.com.
Thanks for pointing out this weakness in our documentation - and thanks for
using the feature!
-mdg
-
Michael Gorrell, m...@ebscohost.com
Senior VP and CIO
EBSCO
On 11/17/09 3:11 PM, "Joel Marchesoni" wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> One feature missing from the EBSCO Search Box Builder is the ability to limit
> by date. Does anyone know of a way to do this from the search box code? I
> tried all the values from the results page with no success.
>
> I'm having a hard time finding any information about this online and was
> hoping a fellow coder has figured it out already.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joel
Re: [CODE4LIB] agile methodologies
Susan wrote: > Anyone using agile methodologies for Web applications / projects - > particularly user stories to define requirements for Web projects? It might be worth your while reading Ravi Mohan's interesting "Let the Agile Fad Flow By" http://pindancing.blogspot.com/2009/09/let-agile-fad-flow-by.html -- Glen Newton | glen.new...@nrc-cnrc.gc.ca Researcher, Information Science, CISTI Research & NRC W3C Advisory Committee Representative http://tinyurl.com/yvchmu tel/t l: 613-990-9163 | facsimile/t l copieur 613-952-8246 Canada Institute for Scientific and Technical Information (CISTI) National Research Council Canada (NRC)| M-55, 1200 Montreal Road http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/ Institut canadien de l'information scientifique et technique (ICIST) Conseil national de recherches Canada | M-55, 1200 chemin Montr al Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0R6 Government of Canada | Gouvernement du Canada --
Re: [CODE4LIB] agile methodologies
Hi Susan, We used Use Cases which are generally a little more structured to help define the requirements for our IR+ system here at the University of Rochester - you can see our production system here: https://urresearch.rochester.edu . They were also re-used to help with user testing of the system. -Nate Nathan Sarr Senior Software Engineer River Campus Libraries University of Rochester Rochester, NY 14627 (585) 275-0692 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of susan teague-rector Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:44 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] agile methodologies Anyone using agile methodologies for Web applications / projects - particularly user stories to define requirements for Web projects? Thanks, Susan Susan Teague-Rector Web Applications Manager VCU Libraries
Re: [CODE4LIB] agile methodologies
Depending on the project, we use use cases or user studies. We've just completed collecting users studies for a new project and used them to create a system gap analysis, in preparation for creating a design document. Leslie -- Leslie Johnston Digital Media Project Coordinator Office of Strategic Initiatives Library of Congress 202-707-2801 lesl...@loc.gov >>> susan teague-rector 11/18/2009 9:44 AM >>> Anyone using agile methodologies for Web applications / projects - particularly user stories to define requirements for Web projects? Thanks, Susan Susan Teague-Rector Web Applications Manager VCU Libraries
[CODE4LIB] agile methodologies
Anyone using agile methodologies for Web applications / projects - particularly user stories to define requirements for Web projects? Thanks, Susan Susan Teague-Rector Web Applications Manager VCU Libraries
Re: [CODE4LIB] Limit EBSCO Search Box Builder by date
That does make sense, Michael. I had tried using the cli and clv parameters
but I had used just 'DT' instead of 'DT1' and it didn't work. Thanks so much
for this!
Joel
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
Gorrell
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:39 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Limit EBSCO Search Box Builder by date
Hi Joel,
We're updating our documentation/the Search Box Builder site to also include
these parameters.
Search Box Builder - a form to take in the user's query/limiters/etc is
essentially a way to build up what we call a persistent link. Our link
syntax has a few basic parameters. Look at this search for "football" from
the Academic Search Premier database (db code "aph"):
http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=aph&bquery=(football)&
cli0=FT&clv0=Y&cli1=DT1&clv1=200901-200911&type=0&site=ehost-live
I've got 2 limiters in this search - Full Text and Date (200901-200911).
Our limiters are passed through cli{N} and cliv{N} key/value pairs.
So in the above - FT is the "key" for the full text limiter, and it's
"Value" is Y. For date, DT1 is the key and the date range 200901-200911 is
the value.
Other limiters that might be used would be Peer Reviewed (RV=Y) or
References Available (FR=Y) or Publication/Source (SO="value"). These are
our Search Tags. Note - that if you want to play around and see what the
URL looks like, you can use the UI, and click on the "Alert/Save/Share" link
- we show a permalink on the little popup - this (basically) is the same
persistent link you would build up through Search Box Builder.
I hope that makes sense. If you have further questions, feel free to
contact our support team - ept...@ebscohost.com.
Thanks for pointing out this weakness in our documentation - and thanks for
using the feature!
-mdg
-
Michael Gorrell, m...@ebscohost.com
Senior VP and CIO
EBSCO
On 11/17/09 3:11 PM, "Joel Marchesoni" wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> One feature missing from the EBSCO Search Box Builder is the ability to limit
> by date. Does anyone know of a way to do this from the search box code? I
> tried all the values from the results page with no success.
>
> I'm having a hard time finding any information about this online and was
> hoping a fellow coder has figured it out already.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joel
Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content
And DOIs are just a managed implementation of Handles which the IDF created, so you could go the Handles route for free. But then you lose the CrossRef services, etc. if that is important to you. John P. Rees, MA, MLIS Curator, Archives and Modern Manuscripts History of Medicine Division, MSC 3819 National Library of Medicine 8600 Rockville Pike Bethesda, MD 20894 -Original Message- From: Jodi Schneider [mailto:jodi.a.schnei...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:59 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content The first question is: what are they trying to accomplish by having DOIs? Do they have a long-term plan for persistence of their content? Financial plan? If they're looking for persistent identifiers, I don't understand (a priori), why DOI is better, as an identifier scheme, than any other 'persistent identifier scheme' (ARK [1], PURL, Handle, etc[2]). (Though I really like CrossRef and the things they're doing.) [1] http://www.cdlib.org/inside/diglib/ark/ [2] http://www.persistent-identifier.de/english/204-examples.php -Jodi On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Bucknell, Terry < t.d.buckn...@liverpool.ac.uk> wrote: > You should be able to find all the information you need about CrossRef fees > and rules at: > > http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/20pub_fees.html > > and > > http://www.crossref.org/02publishers/59pub_rules.html > > Information about the system of registering and maintaining DOIs is at: > > http://www.crossref.org/help/ > > Note that as well as registering DOIs for the articles in LLT, LLT would be > obliged to link to the articles cited by LLT articles (for cited articles > that have DOIs too). Looking at the LLT site, it looks like they would have > to change their 'abstract' pages to 'abstract plus cited refs', or change > the way that their PDFs are created so that they include DOI links for cited > references. (Without this the whole system would fail: publishers would > expect traffic to come to them, but wouldn't have to send traffic > elsewhere). > > I'd agree that DOIs are in general a Good Thing (and for e-books / e-book > chapters, and reference work entries as well as e-journal articles). The > CrossRef fees are deliberately set so as not to exclude single-title > publishers. Here's an example of a single-title, university-based e-journal > in the UK that provides DOIs, so it must be a CrossRef member: > http://www.bioscience.heacademy.ac.uk/journal/. > > > Terry Bucknell > Electronic Resources Manager > University of Liverpool > > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of > Jonathan Rochkind > Sent: 17 November 2009 23:20 > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content > > So I have no actual experience with this. > > But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think > you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care > of it. Of course, if your documents are going to be moving all over the > place, if you run your own purl server and register your purls with > CrossRef, then when a document moves, you can update your local purl > server; otherwise, you can update CrossRef, heh. > > It certainly is useful to have DOIs, I agree. I would suggest they > should just contact cross-ref and get information on the cost, and what > their responsibilities are, and then they'll be able to decide. If the > 'structure of their content' is journal articles, then, sure DOI is > pretty handy for people wanting to cite or link to those articles. > > Jonathan > > Ranti Junus wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I was asked by somebody from a college @ my institution whether they > > should go with assigning DOI for their journal articles: > > http://llt.msu.edu/ > > > > I can see the advantage of this approach and my first thought is more > > about whether they have resources in running their purl server, or > > whether they would need to do it through crossref (or any other > > agency.) Has anybody had any experience about this? > > > > Moreover, are there other factors that one should consider (pros and > > cons) about this? Or, looking at the structure of their content, > > whether they ever need DOI? Any ideas and/or suggestions? > > > > > > Any insights about this is much appreciated. > > > > > > thanks, > > ranti. > > > > >
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Limit EBSCO Search Box Builder by date
Hi Joel,
We're updating our documentation/the Search Box Builder site to also include
these parameters.
Search Box Builder - a form to take in the user's query/limiters/etc is
essentially a way to build up what we call a persistent link. Our link
syntax has a few basic parameters. Look at this search for "football" from
the Academic Search Premier database (db code "aph"):
http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=aph&bquery=(football)&
cli0=FT&clv0=Y&cli1=DT1&clv1=200901-200911&type=0&site=ehost-live
I've got 2 limiters in this search - Full Text and Date (200901-200911).
Our limiters are passed through cli{N} and cliv{N} key/value pairs.
So in the above - FT is the "key" for the full text limiter, and it's
"Value" is Y. For date, DT1 is the key and the date range 200901-200911 is
the value.
Other limiters that might be used would be Peer Reviewed (RV=Y) or
References Available (FR=Y) or Publication/Source (SO="value"). These are
our Search Tags. Note - that if you want to play around and see what the
URL looks like, you can use the UI, and click on the "Alert/Save/Share" link
- we show a permalink on the little popup - this (basically) is the same
persistent link you would build up through Search Box Builder.
I hope that makes sense. If you have further questions, feel free to
contact our support team - ept...@ebscohost.com.
Thanks for pointing out this weakness in our documentation - and thanks for
using the feature!
-mdg
-
Michael Gorrell, m...@ebscohost.com
Senior VP and CIO
EBSCO
On 11/17/09 3:11 PM, "Joel Marchesoni" wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> One feature missing from the EBSCO Search Box Builder is the ability to limit
> by date. Does anyone know of a way to do this from the search box code? I
> tried all the values from the results page with no success.
>
> I'm having a hard time finding any information about this online and was
> hoping a fellow coder has figured it out already.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joel
