[CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread David Fiander
So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:

- Toronto
- Kingston
- Ottawa
- Sudbury
- Montreal

Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
end up in Toronto, again.

I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.

If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
arrangements.

- David


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Edward M. Corrado
I agree that the sooner a space and date can be decided the better. 
While Sudbury would probably be nice, it would be a tough sell because 
of the distance from me (9.5 hrs). The others are all doable. Any ideas 
on how we should decide? Some sort of ranked list? I personally would 
enjoy going back to Montreal and I'd like to visit Ottawa, but Kingston 
is the closest.


As far as dates, I'd personally like it to be on a Monday or Friday, 
this way I would only have to take one (or 1.5) days off from work, and, 
I can take the weekend to explore. (BTW: I'd like Monday better than 
Friday, but either would be better than a Tuesday or Wednesday (Thursday 
being my third choice). I guess I could do a weekend as well, but I 
would think most people would rather it be during the week,


Edward



David Fiander wrote:

So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:

- Toronto
- Kingston
- Ottawa
- Sudbury
- Montreal

Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
end up in Toronto, again.

I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.

If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
arrangements.

- David
  


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Kimberly Silk
I just wanted to chime in from downtown Toronto -- I certainly welcome meeting 
outside of my fair city, and prefer locales that can be reached via train 
(Ottawa, Montreal, Kingston, Sudbury). Porter airlines is also good, but sadly, 
they don't fly to Sudbury.

Kim

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Sent: January 20, 2010 10:17 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

I think mode of transportation is something to consider; for those of us in 
South/Eastern Ontario, most of the cities are relatively reachable within a few 
hours by ground (excepting Sudbury, unfortunately).

However, for those out-of-province coming via air transport, Kingston is at 
least 2h from the closest major airport (Ottawa).  [NB: don't get me wrong; as 
a Queen's graduate, I love Kingston very much].

So, in the name of practicality, one of the larger cities -- Toronto, Ottawa, 
Montreal -- probably makes the most sense.  It may be a bit less interesting 
for some, but at the same time, we could always pick one of the smaller cities 
for our second meet-up.

Just my $0.02CAD.

MJ

PS.  for air travel, Porter airlines is an excellent regional carrier, 
servicing Boston, Chicago, Montreal, Newark, Ottawa, Thunder Bay, and Toronto 
(among others).

On 2010-01-20, at 10:05 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote:

 I agree that the sooner a space and date can be decided the better. While 
 Sudbury would probably be nice, it would be a tough sell because of the 
 distance from me (9.5 hrs). The others are all doable. Any ideas on how we 
 should decide? Some sort of ranked list? I personally would enjoy going back 
 to Montreal and I'd like to visit Ottawa, but Kingston is the closest.
 
 As far as dates, I'd personally like it to be on a Monday or Friday, this way 
 I would only have to take one (or 1.5) days off from work, and, I can take 
 the weekend to explore. (BTW: I'd like Monday better than Friday, but either 
 would be better than a Tuesday or Wednesday (Thursday being my third choice). 
 I guess I could do a weekend as well, but I would think most people would 
 rather it be during the week,
 
 Edward
 
 
 
 David Fiander wrote:
 So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
 center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:
 
 - Toronto
 - Kingston
 - Ottawa
 - Sudbury
 - Montreal
 
 Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
 meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
 interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
 for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
 end up in Toronto, again.
 
 I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
 But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.
 
 If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
 start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
 made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
 people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
 arrangements.
 
 - David
  


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Pascal Calarco
Here are my personal musings from my perspective as one of those on the 
periphery (Indiana).  Thanks for moving this forward!


Sudbury seems too remote; I vacation near there each summer, and even in 
April that can be a challenging drive, and is generally expensive to fly 
into.


For folks from the Midwest, Montreal is probably too far to be honest. 
I love Montreal (it is my fave Cdn. city), but I would likely have to 
fly to get there as that is a two-day drive from Chicagoland where I am 
roughly.  If consensus is Montreal, I know a bunch of people there 
(McGill, UQAM, U.Montreal), and could put likely folks in touch to find 
space.


Ottawa is still doable and Kingston is preferred for me simply because I 
haven't spent much time there.  Ottawa is kind of expensive.


Toronto has good and bad.  Expensive, familiar.  But also central, good 
public transit for getting around and lots of stuff to do.  We had a 
Fedora (linux) Users and Developer's con at York U. back in December and 
it was great.  I could also stay at my sister's place, lowering costs to 
attend for me at least.


April and May are going to be really busy for me.  After mid-May would 
be better for me.  I can't participate between April 16 - May 16, 
basically, but I am only one voice.  If not this time, I'll probably 
attend next year!


  - pascal


Pascal Calarco
Head, Library Information Systems
Hesburgh Libraries of Notre Dame
University of Notre Dame /
Michiana Academic Library Consortium
Notre Dame, IN USA
http://www.library.nd.edu/
-
Fedora Weekly News editor
Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA

On 01/20/2010 09:44 AM, David Fiander wrote:

So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:

- Toronto
- Kingston
- Ottawa
- Sudbury
- Montreal

Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
end up in Toronto, again.

I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.

If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
arrangements.

- David


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Walter Lewis
On 20 Jan 10, at 10:16 AM, MJ Suhonos wrote:

 I think mode of transportation is something to consider; for those of us in 
 South/Eastern Ontario, most of the cities are relatively reachable within a 
 few hours by ground (excepting Sudbury, unfortunately).
 
 However, for those out-of-province coming via air transport, Kingston is at 
 least 2h from the closest major airport (Ottawa).  [NB: don't get me wrong; 
 as a Queen's graduate, I love Kingston very much].

As another Queen's grad (a little before MJ, I fear), I am also guilty of 
forgetting that Air Canada has about eight flights a day that drop into the 
airport at Kingston.  As a student it was mostly VIA, the bus or the thumb.  
That said, I would be driving right by Toronto's Pearson Airport on my way down 
and could time passage to do a pickup (or two).

Walter
  who loves Kingston in May and June


Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: what is the best open source native XML database

2010-01-20 Thread Sean Hannan
BaseX is actively developed (6.0 came out about two weeks ago), but I 
understand your concern.  It seems like they are moving towards building more 
of a community around it (mailing lists and such), but yes, the core is pretty 
much the university team. 

eXist has more plug-ins and specialty features than BaseX. BaseX has XQuery 
full text search and much much faster querying speed.

As far as putting your eggs in a basket, I'm pretty sure that if you're looking 
to base your project around XML databases, you're already putting your eggs in 
a basket of some form...

-Sean

On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Godmar Back wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Sean Hannan shan...@jhu.edu wrote:
 I've had the best experience (query speed, primarily) with BaseX.  This was 
 primarily for large XML document processing, so I'm not sure how much it 
 will satisfy your transactional needs.
 
 I was initially using eXist, and then switched over to BaseX because the 
 speed gains were very noticeable.
 
 
 What about the relative maturity/functionality of eXist vs BaseX? I'm
 a bit skeptical to put my eggs in a University project basket not
 backed by a continuous revenue stream (... did I just say that out
 loud?)
 
 - Godmar


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread MJ Suhonos
Walter, once again, has made up for my impetuousness -- I had completely 
forgotten about Norman Rogers airport (YGK).  Apologies.

It's a bit expensive compared to ground transport ($350 from Pearson vs. $40 
Megabus or $120 Greyhound; via Ottawa?) but certainly an option for those 
flying in from elsewhere.

MJ
who also loves Kingston in the spring (but more in the summer when CORK is on)


On 2010-01-20, at 10:32 AM, Walter Lewis wrote:

 On 20 Jan 10, at 10:16 AM, MJ Suhonos wrote:
 
 I think mode of transportation is something to consider; for those of us in 
 South/Eastern Ontario, most of the cities are relatively reachable within a 
 few hours by ground (excepting Sudbury, unfortunately).
 
 However, for those out-of-province coming via air transport, Kingston is at 
 least 2h from the closest major airport (Ottawa).  [NB: don't get me wrong; 
 as a Queen's graduate, I love Kingston very much].
 
 As another Queen's grad (a little before MJ, I fear), I am also guilty of 
 forgetting that Air Canada has about eight flights a day that drop into the 
 airport at Kingston.  As a student it was mostly VIA, the bus or the thumb.  
 That said, I would be driving right by Toronto's Pearson Airport on my way 
 down and could time passage to do a pickup (or two).
 
 Walter
  who loves Kingston in May and June


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Anna Headley
Train travel gives you a smaller carbon footprint than air travel! 


Anna
who maybe just leveled in hippie



MJ Suhonos wrote:

Walter, once again, has made up for my impetuousness -- I had completely 
forgotten about Norman Rogers airport (YGK).  Apologies.

It's a bit expensive compared to ground transport ($350 from Pearson vs. $40 
Megabus or $120 Greyhound; via Ottawa?) but certainly an option for those 
flying in from elsewhere.

MJ
who also loves Kingston in the spring (but more in the summer when CORK is on)


On 2010-01-20, at 10:32 AM, Walter Lewis wrote:

  

On 20 Jan 10, at 10:16 AM, MJ Suhonos wrote:



I think mode of transportation is something to consider; for those of us in 
South/Eastern Ontario, most of the cities are relatively reachable within a few 
hours by ground (excepting Sudbury, unfortunately).

However, for those out-of-province coming via air transport, Kingston is at 
least 2h from the closest major airport (Ottawa).  [NB: don't get me wrong; as 
a Queen's graduate, I love Kingston very much].
  

As another Queen's grad (a little before MJ, I fear), I am also guilty of 
forgetting that Air Canada has about eight flights a day that drop into the 
airport at Kingston.  As a student it was mostly VIA, the bus or the thumb.  
That said, I would be driving right by Toronto's Pearson Airport on my way down 
and could time passage to do a pickup (or two).

Walter
 who loves Kingston in May and June



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Swarthmore College Library
610.690.5781
ahead...@swarthmore.edu 


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Patrick M. Lozeau
Hi,

I just chatted with a person at McGill (i.e. Amy Buckland), and we would be 
glad to host the event in Montreal. So, you can consider Montreal as a viable 
option in the choices. 

I also know people at U.Montreal and other organizations that could and would 
probably help us with logistics depending on how many people plan on attending.

If you're not convinced about Montreal, go ask Dan Chudnov about poutine.

Patrick


Patrick M. Lozeau
librarian
inlibro.com


Le 2010-01-20 à 10:28, Pascal Calarco a écrit :

 Here are my personal musings from my perspective as one of those on the 
 periphery (Indiana).  Thanks for moving this forward!
 
 Sudbury seems too remote; I vacation near there each summer, and even in 
 April that can be a challenging drive, and is generally expensive to fly into.
 
 For folks from the Midwest, Montreal is probably too far to be honest. I love 
 Montreal (it is my fave Cdn. city), but I would likely have to fly to get 
 there as that is a two-day drive from Chicagoland where I am roughly.  If 
 consensus is Montreal, I know a bunch of people there (McGill, UQAM, 
 U.Montreal), and could put likely folks in touch to find space.
 
 Ottawa is still doable and Kingston is preferred for me simply because I 
 haven't spent much time there.  Ottawa is kind of expensive.
 
 Toronto has good and bad.  Expensive, familiar.  But also central, good 
 public transit for getting around and lots of stuff to do.  We had a Fedora 
 (linux) Users and Developer's con at York U. back in December and it was 
 great.  I could also stay at my sister's place, lowering costs to attend for 
 me at least.
 
 April and May are going to be really busy for me.  After mid-May would be 
 better for me.  I can't participate between April 16 - May 16, basically, but 
 I am only one voice.  If not this time, I'll probably attend next year!
 
  - pascal
 
 
 Pascal Calarco
 Head, Library Information Systems
 Hesburgh Libraries of Notre Dame
 University of Notre Dame /
 Michiana Academic Library Consortium
 Notre Dame, IN USA
 http://www.library.nd.edu/
 -
 Fedora Weekly News editor
 Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA
 
 On 01/20/2010 09:44 AM, David Fiander wrote:
 So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
 center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:
 
 - Toronto
 - Kingston
 - Ottawa
 - Sudbury
 - Montreal
 
 Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
 meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
 interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
 for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
 end up in Toronto, again.
 
 I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
 But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.
 
 If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
 start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
 made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
 people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
 arrangements.
 
 - David


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread John Fink
If Hamilton would make logistical sense, I'm quite happy to do some
exploratory poking around.

jf

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Patrick M. Lozeau pmloz...@inlibro.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I just chatted with a person at McGill (i.e. Amy Buckland), and we would be
 glad to host the event in Montreal. So, you can consider Montreal as a
 viable option in the choices.

 I also know people at U.Montreal and other organizations that could and
 would probably help us with logistics depending on how many people plan on
 attending.

 If you're not convinced about Montreal, go ask Dan Chudnov about poutine.

 Patrick

 
 Patrick M. Lozeau
 librarian
 inlibro.com


 Le 2010-01-20 ą 10:28, Pascal Calarco a écrit :

  Here are my personal musings from my perspective as one of those on the
 periphery (Indiana).  Thanks for moving this forward!
 
  Sudbury seems too remote; I vacation near there each summer, and even in
 April that can be a challenging drive, and is generally expensive to fly
 into.
 
  For folks from the Midwest, Montreal is probably too far to be honest. I
 love Montreal (it is my fave Cdn. city), but I would likely have to fly to
 get there as that is a two-day drive from Chicagoland where I am roughly.
  If consensus is Montreal, I know a bunch of people there (McGill, UQAM,
 U.Montreal), and could put likely folks in touch to find space.
 
  Ottawa is still doable and Kingston is preferred for me simply because I
 haven't spent much time there.  Ottawa is kind of expensive.
 
  Toronto has good and bad.  Expensive, familiar.  But also central, good
 public transit for getting around and lots of stuff to do.  We had a Fedora
 (linux) Users and Developer's con at York U. back in December and it was
 great.  I could also stay at my sister's place, lowering costs to attend for
 me at least.
 
  April and May are going to be really busy for me.  After mid-May would be
 better for me.  I can't participate between April 16 - May 16, basically,
 but I am only one voice.  If not this time, I'll probably attend next year!
 
   - pascal
 
  
  Pascal Calarco
  Head, Library Information Systems
  Hesburgh Libraries of Notre Dame
  University of Notre Dame /
  Michiana Academic Library Consortium
  Notre Dame, IN USA
  http://www.library.nd.edu/
  -
  Fedora Weekly News editor
  Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA
 
  On 01/20/2010 09:44 AM, David Fiander wrote:
  So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
  center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:
 
  - Toronto
  - Kingston
  - Ottawa
  - Sudbury
  - Montreal
 
  Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
  meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
  interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
  for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
  end up in Toronto, again.
 
  I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
  But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.
 
  If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
  start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
  made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
  people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
  arrangements.
 
  - David




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Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Glen Newton
+1 for Montreal

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 Hi,
 
 I just chatted with a person at McGill (i.e. Amy Buckland), and we
 would be glad to host the event in Montreal. So, you can consider
 Montreal as a viable option in the choices.  
  
 I also know people at U.Montreal and other organizations that could
 and would probably help us with logistics depending on how many
 people plan on attending. 
 
 If you're not convinced about Montreal, go ask Dan Chudnov about poutine.
 
 Patrick
 
 
 Patrick M. Lozeau
 librarian
 inlibro.com
 
 
 Le 2010-01-20   10:28, Pascal Calarco a  crit :
 
 Here are my personal musings from my perspective as one of those on
 the periphery (Indiana).  Thanks for moving this forward! 
 
 Sudbury seems too remote; I vacation near there each summer, and even in 
 April that can be a challenging drive, and is generally expensive to fly into.
 
 For folks from the Midwest, Montreal is probably too far to be honest. I love 
 Montreal (it is my fave Cdn. city), but I would likely have to fly to get 
 there as that is a two-day drive from Chicagoland where I am roughly.  If 
 consensus is Montreal, I know a bunch of people there (McGill, UQAM, 
 U.Montreal), and could put likely folks in touch to find space.
 
 Ottawa is still doable and Kingston is preferred for me simply because I 
 haven't spent much time there.  Ottawa is kind of expensive.
 
 Toronto has good and bad.  Expensive, familiar.  But also central, good 
 public transit for getting around and lots of stuff to do.  We had a Fedora 
 (linux) Users and Developer's con at York U. back in December and it was 
 great.  I could also stay at my sister's place, lowering costs to attend for 
 me at least.
 
 April and May are going to be really busy for me.  After mid-May would be 
 better for me.  I can't participate between April 16 - May 16, basically, but 
 I am only one voice.  If not this time, I'll probably attend next year!
 
  - pascal
 
 
 Pascal Calarco
 Head, Library Information Systems
 Hesburgh Libraries of Notre Dame
 University of Notre Dame /
 Michiana Academic Library Consortium
 Notre Dame, IN USA
 http://www.library.nd.edu/
 -
 Fedora Weekly News editor
 Fedora Ambassador, Indiana, USA
 
 On 01/20/2010 09:44 AM, David Fiander wrote:
 So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
 center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:
 
 - Toronto
 - Kingston
 - Ottawa
 - Sudbury
 - Montreal
 
 Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
 meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
 interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
 for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
 end up in Toronto, again.
 
 I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
 But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.
 
 If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
 start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
 made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
 people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
 arrangements.
 
 - David


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread John Fereira

Although Kingston is closest to  me...

+1 for Ottawa
+1 for Montreal

I just checked airfare for both cities from Ithaca, NY (where several 
people within 50 miles that are on the list are from) and it's running 
about $540 US r/t.  Fortunately all of the cities (except Sudbury) are 
less than a 5.5 hour drive.


If the meeting was at the end of April I wouldn't be able to attend 
anyway since I'll likely be at a conference in Montpellier, France.




--
John Fereira
Cornell University
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Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Edward M. Corrado

I vote for Montpelier :-).

Seriously though, I do think if it is within driving distance, John is 
correct that there will be some sort of central NY contingent and it 
most likely will involve automobiles.


Edward

John Fereira wrote:

Although Kingston is closest to  me...

+1 for Ottawa
+1 for Montreal

I just checked airfare for both cities from Ithaca, NY (where several 
people within 50 miles that are on the list are from) and it's running 
about $540 US r/t.  Fortunately all of the cities (except Sudbury) are 
less than a 5.5 hour drive.


If the meeting was at the end of April I wouldn't be able to attend 
anyway since I'll likely be at a conference in Montpellier, France.






Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Daniel Chudnov
On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:49 PM, John Fereira wrote:

 Although Kingston is closest to  me...
 
 +1 for Ottawa
 +1 for Montreal

Agreed on the above.  Any reason to return to Montreal is a good one, but I'd 
consider heading up for any of these locations.  I'll be busy in late April so 
if you end up pushing the schedule back a bit I might crash the party.

Great that you're doing this!


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Tim Ribaric
Hello all,
  Chiming in a bit late but my vote would be for Kingston.  Also for those 
driving it would be possible to arrange some ride sharing, ala code4lib 2009... 
I'd find the link on the wiki but the code4lib site is running pokey right now.


Tim

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of David 
Fiander
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:45 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:

- Toronto
- Kingston
- Ottawa
- Sudbury
- Montreal

Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
end up in Toronto, again.

I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.

If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
arrangements.

- David


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Glen Newton
Hmmm. No one has brought up how increasingly onerous it has become to
travel to the U.S., as a Canadian or non-U.S resident (and
particularly for non-Canadian, non-US residents who are fingerprinted
on each visit!). This should should not be discounted, as much as I
enjoy visiting place like Montpelier, close to where I have some good
friends...

-glen

 On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:49 PM, John Fereira wrote:
 
  Although Kingston is closest to  me...
  
  +1 for Ottawa
  +1 for Montreal
 
 Agreed on the above.  Any reason to return to Montreal is a good
 one, but I'd consider heading up for any of these locations.  I'll
 be busy in late April so if you end up pushing the schedule back a
 bit I might crash the party. 
 
 Great that you're doing this!


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread John Miedema
Ottawa (first choice). If it's in Ottawa anytime soon, and someone 
volunteers a location, I will help organize.


Order of preference from there: Kingston, Montreal, Toronto.

John




Tim Ribaric wrote:

Hello all,
  Chiming in a bit late but my vote would be for Kingston.  Also for those 
driving it would be possible to arrange some ride sharing, ala code4lib 2009... 
I'd find the link on the wiki but the code4lib site is running pokey right now.


Tim

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of David 
Fiander
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:45 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:

- Toronto
- Kingston
- Ottawa
- Sudbury
- Montreal

Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
end up in Toronto, again.

I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.

If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
arrangements.

- David


  


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread David Fiander
Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being
discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans
resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their
passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order
to ensure you will be able to attend.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:10, Thomas Dowling tdowl...@ohiolink.edu wrote:
 On 01/20/2010 02:03 PM, Glen Newton wrote:
 Hmmm. No one has brought up how increasingly onerous it has become to
 travel to the U.S., as a Canadian or non-U.S resident (and
 particularly for non-Canadian, non-US residents who are fingerprinted
 on each visit!). This should should not be discounted, as much as I
 enjoy visiting place like Montpelier, close to where I have some good
 friends...


 We could have a joint meeting in Sarnia/Port Huron and just shout across the
 river to each other!  (Windsor/Detroit might be too loud.)



Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Marc Truitt
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On 2010-01-20 12:10, Thomas Dowling wrote:
 On 01/20/2010 02:03 PM, Glen Newton wrote:
 Hmmm. No one has brought up how increasingly onerous it has become to
 travel to the U.S., as a Canadian or non-U.S resident (and
 particularly for non-Canadian, non-US residents who are fingerprinted
 on each visit!). This should should not be discounted, as much as I
 enjoy visiting place like Montpelier, close to where I have some good
 friends...
 
 
 We could have a joint meeting in Sarnia/Port Huron and just shout across the
 river to each other!  (Windsor/Detroit might be too loud.)
 

While I took the reference to Montpelier to refer to John Fereira's
mention of the city in France (and not to the town in Vermont), Glen's
point is well-taken and, from what I observed on my trip to ALA
Midwinter in Boston, not widely familiar to US residents.  I arrived for
an 8.10am flight from Edmonton at approximately 5.30am last Thursday
morning.  I actually got on the plane at 8.05am, and there were others
still behind me in line.  Quite literally, it took less time for me to
fly the leg from Edmonton to Minneapolis, than it did to board the plane
in Edmonton.  And then to discovery that *none* of this enhanced regime
is currently implemented in the US reduced the entire exercise to optics
of the most cynical sort.

TSA is enforcing on foreign-originated flights levels of intrusive
security and inconvenience that would be unsustainable and politically
unacceptable in the US.  Have we forgotten from where the September 11th
flights originated?

Apologies for the off-topic drift, but you all ought to be aware of this...

- - mt

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Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Walter Lewis
On 20 Jan 10, at 2:30 PM, David Fiander wrote:

 Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being
 discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans
 resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their
 passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order
 to ensure you will be able to attend.

Is Canadian customs now requiring US Passports?  Used to be Hotel California:  
you could come over, but without your passport you couldn't go home.

Walter


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Wendy Huot
I'm glad to help with the logistics of meeting Kingston, if that's the 
city we choose.  I'd definitely prefer to meet after April (say May or 
June), as that's when our winter academic term ends and the Canadian 
weather is best.


There are lots of free wireless-enabled spaces on the Queen's campus, 
including the Harry Potter Reading Room (formerly known as the 'purple 
passion pit' before it was renovated):


 http://library.queensu.ca/files/imagepicker/c/central/23room.jpg

Regarding travel to Kingston:

* VIA Rail and the bus run through Kingston several times a day
* Bus lines for Kingston: Montreal and Ottawa = Greyhound,  Toronto = 
Coach Canada
* For an interesting drive from upstate NY, you can get from Cape 
Vincent, NY to Kingston by way of Wolfe Island + ferry.

* Flying into Kingston is an option, but it's always expensive

Wendy

--
Wendy Huot
Web Development Librarian
Queen's University Library
Kingston, Ontario Canada K7L 5C4



John Miedema wrote:
Ottawa (first choice). If it's in Ottawa anytime soon, and someone 
volunteers a location, I will help organize.


Order of preference from there: Kingston, Montreal, Toronto.

John




Tim Ribaric wrote:

Hello all,
  Chiming in a bit late but my vote would be for Kingston.  Also for 
those driving it would be possible to arrange some ride sharing, ala 
code4lib 2009... I'd find the link on the wiki but the code4lib site 
is running pokey right now.



Tim

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf 
Of David Fiander

Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:45 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:

- Toronto
- Kingston
- Ottawa
- Sudbury
- Montreal

Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
end up in Toronto, again.

I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.

If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
arrangements.

- David


  





--
Wendy Huot
Web Development Librarian
Queen's University Library
Kingston, Ontario Canada K7L 5C4

Phone: (613) 533-6000 ext 75250
Email: wendy.h...@queensu.ca


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread David Fiander
I'm not sure, but everybody entering the US is required to present a
passport or other enhanced ID, so if the Americans don't have
passports, it's more that they can't go home without.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:36, Walter Lewis lew...@hhpl.on.ca wrote:
 On 20 Jan 10, at 2:30 PM, David Fiander wrote:

 Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being
 discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans
 resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their
 passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order
 to ensure you will be able to attend.

 Is Canadian customs now requiring US Passports?  Used to be Hotel California: 
  you could come over, but without your passport you couldn't go home.

 Walter



Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Avendano, Patricia
BTW, Montreal IS a Canadian city. 


P. Avendano

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of David 
Fiander
Sent: Wednesday, 20 January, 2010 14:30
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being
discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans
resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their
passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order
to ensure you will be able to attend.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:10, Thomas Dowling tdowl...@ohiolink.edu wrote:
 On 01/20/2010 02:03 PM, Glen Newton wrote:
 Hmmm. No one has brought up how increasingly onerous it has become to
 travel to the U.S., as a Canadian or non-U.S resident (and
 particularly for non-Canadian, non-US residents who are fingerprinted
 on each visit!). This should should not be discounted, as much as I
 enjoy visiting place like Montpelier, close to where I have some good
 friends...


 We could have a joint meeting in Sarnia/Port Huron and just shout across the
 river to each other!  (Windsor/Detroit might be too loud.)



Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Walter Lewis
On 20 Jan 10, at 2:39 PM, Wendy Huot wrote:

 Regarding travel to Kingston:
 
 * For an interesting drive from upstate NY, you can get from Cape Vincent, NY 
 to Kingston by way of Wolfe Island + ferry.

Driving across the Thousand Islands Bridge is faster, but the interesting 
quotient goes way up via Wolfe Island  (two ferries: one cheap, one free)

Walter


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Americans can no longer get into Canada without passports, even driving 
accross the border.  Not even a birth certificate will do anymore.  
Officially this went into effect last spring sometime, but they had a 
delayed grace period, which I'm guessing is up, or at least I wouldn't 
want to risk it.


(And, indeed, i remember when I could get into Canada over the Detroit 
River just saying American, going for lunch.)


David Fiander wrote:

I'm not sure, but everybody entering the US is required to present a
passport or other enhanced ID, so if the Americans don't have
passports, it's more that they can't go home without.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:36, Walter Lewis lew...@hhpl.on.ca wrote:
  

On 20 Jan 10, at 2:30 PM, David Fiander wrote:



Of course, as a corollary to the fact that all the locations being
discussed are Canadian (well, except for Montreal), any Americans
resident in the USA on the list do need to make sure that their
passports will be valid through to the end of May, at least, in order
to ensure you will be able to attend.
  

Is Canadian customs now requiring US Passports?  Used to be Hotel California:  
you could come over, but without your passport you couldn't go home.

Walter




  


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread David Fiander
Walter plans on going to Kingston by way of Buffalo and Cape Vincent,
just so he can take the ferries.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 14:45, Walter Lewis lew...@hhpl.on.ca wrote:
 On 20 Jan 10, at 2:39 PM, Wendy Huot wrote:

 Regarding travel to Kingston:

 * For an interesting drive from upstate NY, you can get from Cape Vincent, 
 NY to Kingston by way of Wolfe Island + ferry.

 Driving across the Thousand Islands Bridge is faster, but the interesting 
 quotient goes way up via Wolfe Island  (two ferries: one cheap, one free)

 Walter



Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Walter Lewis
On 20 Jan 10, at 2:53 PM, David Fiander wrote:

 Walter plans on going to Kingston by way of Buffalo and Cape Vincent,
 just so he can take the ferries.

I've done just that, ... taking in a few lighthouses and harbours along the 
way!  (and  special collections at Cornell and Syracuse).

Walter


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Michael Vandenburg
And the benefits of coming to Kingston don't end with the well connected
meeting spaces, there's also an excellent collection of shivs on display at
the local prison museum.

http://www.penitentiarymuseum.ca/

Really, what more incentive do you need?

-Michael
_
Michael Vandenburg | Systems Librarian | Queen's University Libraries
Kingston ON, K7L 5C4 | 613-533-6000 x 74536



-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of
Wendy Huot
Sent: January 20, 2010 2:39 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

I'm glad to help with the logistics of meeting Kingston, if that's the 
city we choose.  I'd definitely prefer to meet after April (say May or 
June), as that's when our winter academic term ends and the Canadian 
weather is best.

There are lots of free wireless-enabled spaces on the Queen's campus, 
including the Harry Potter Reading Room (formerly known as the 'purple 
passion pit' before it was renovated):

  http://library.queensu.ca/files/imagepicker/c/central/23room.jpg

Regarding travel to Kingston:

* VIA Rail and the bus run through Kingston several times a day
* Bus lines for Kingston: Montreal and Ottawa = Greyhound,  Toronto = 
Coach Canada
* For an interesting drive from upstate NY, you can get from Cape 
Vincent, NY to Kingston by way of Wolfe Island + ferry.
* Flying into Kingston is an option, but it's always expensive

Wendy

-- 
Wendy Huot
Web Development Librarian
Queen's University Library
Kingston, Ontario Canada K7L 5C4



John Miedema wrote:
 Ottawa (first choice). If it's in Ottawa anytime soon, and someone 
 volunteers a location, I will help organize.

 Order of preference from there: Kingston, Montreal, Toronto.

 John




 Tim Ribaric wrote:
 Hello all,
   Chiming in a bit late but my vote would be for Kingston.  Also for 
 those driving it would be possible to arrange some ride sharing, ala 
 code4lib 2009... I'd find the link on the wiki but the code4lib site 
 is running pokey right now.


 Tim

 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf 
 Of David Fiander
 Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:45 AM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

 So far on the wiki the proposals for the location range from the
 center of known space to let's all visit Dan!:

 - Toronto
 - Kingston
 - Ottawa
 - Sudbury
 - Montreal

 Given some of the far-flung people who have expressed interest in the
 meeting, including some people in Wisconsin (!), it would be
 interesting to figure out the weighted average travel time required
 for all of these locations, but I suspect that that would just mean we
 end up in Toronto, again.

 I just added Montreal to the list, just because, hey, it's Montreal!
 But then, we'd have to find somebody at McGill to act as our host.

 If we're going to be meeting in April/May, then it's probably time to
 start the discussion about site selection so that when the decision is
 made, the hosts will have time to make the arrangements and so that
 people travelling have enough lead time to make cheap travel
 arrangements.

 - David


   



-- 
Wendy Huot
Web Development Librarian
Queen's University Library
Kingston, Ontario Canada K7L 5C4

Phone: (613) 533-6000 ext 75250
Email: wendy.h...@queensu.ca


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread William Denton

My ranked ordering:

Kingston
Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto

It may easier to fly to the non-Kingston cities, but train/bus is easy and 
it's in the middle of the Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal hub.  Ridesharing would 
be easy and people could get there after work for the next day.


Library geeks from around here have probably been to Toronto, Ottawa, and 
Montreal (and Hamilton) fairly recently for conferences.  Not Kingston, 
though.  Plus I want to visit.  And Wendy Huot's ready to help set things 
up, and Michael Vandenburg and Martha Whitehead are there ...


For time, I prefer May/June.  What about the weekend of Friday 14 May - 
Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or 
starting Thursday night and happening Friday?  That's the weekend before 
Victoria Day.  (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!) 
Is there any American holiday happening in there?


Bill
--
William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Pascal Calarco

On 01/20/2010 03:39 PM, William Denton wrote:


For time, I prefer May/June.  What about the weekend of Friday 14 May -
Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or
starting Thursday night and happening Friday?  That's the weekend before
Victoria Day.  (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!)
Is there any American holiday happening in there?

Bill


Memorial Day in the US is late this year, May 31st.  That's the only 
holiday in May that I'm aware of.


  - pascal


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Edward M. Corrado
I think Pascal is correct that the only US holiday to worry about in May 
or June is Memorial Day.


The other thing to worry about is other conferences. I know some 
Code4Lib types go to ELUNA, for example. This year ELUNA is, Sunday, May 
9--Thursday, May 13. Since I'm on the ELUNA SC (as is Pascal), I might 
have a tough time with a date that was right after the ELUNA conference 
(esp. since it sounds like we may have post-conference meetings). Maybe 
once a location is decided., something like a Doodle 
(http://www.doodle.com/) can be set up with available dates and people 
can vote on what works for them and whichever dates works for the most 
people is the winner.


Edward


Pascal Calarco wrote:

On 01/20/2010 03:39 PM, William Denton wrote:


For time, I prefer May/June.  What about the weekend of Friday 14 May -
Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or
starting Thursday night and happening Friday?  That's the weekend before
Victoria Day.  (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this 
year!)

Is there any American holiday happening in there?

Bill


Memorial Day in the US is late this year, May 31st.  That's the only 
holiday in May that I'm aware of.


  - pascal


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Tim Ribaric
Further for days that might not be good in May... 

It might be best to avoid May 10 and 11 as that is the date of the 'Canadian 
ETD and Open Repository Workshop' 
http://conferences.uvic.ca/index.php?conference=etdschedConf=etd_May_2010 
I'm sure some code4libers will probably be at that one.  Myself included.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Pascal 
Calarco
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:18 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

On 01/20/2010 03:39 PM, William Denton wrote:

 For time, I prefer May/June.  What about the weekend of Friday 14 May -
 Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or
 starting Thursday night and happening Friday?  That's the weekend before
 Victoria Day.  (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!)
 Is there any American holiday happening in there?

 Bill

Memorial Day in the US is late this year, May 31st.  That's the only 
holiday in May that I'm aware of.

   - pascal


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Patrick M. Lozeau
I would of loved to get people up to Montreal (bagels anybody?), but I must 
admit that Kingston is dead in the middle for a lot of us (Toronto, Ottawa, 
Montreal, NY state) and could be the easiest and cheapest for traveling.

Second half of May sounds great.

Patrick


Patrick M. Lozeau


Le 2010-01-20 à 15:39, William Denton a écrit :

 My ranked ordering:
 
   Kingston
   Montreal
   Ottawa
   Toronto
 
 It may easier to fly to the non-Kingston cities, but train/bus is easy and 
 it's in the middle of the Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal hub.  Ridesharing would be 
 easy and people could get there after work for the next day.
 
 Library geeks from around here have probably been to Toronto, Ottawa, and 
 Montreal (and Hamilton) fairly recently for conferences.  Not Kingston, 
 though.  Plus I want to visit.  And Wendy Huot's ready to help set things up, 
 and Michael Vandenburg and Martha Whitehead are there ...
 
 For time, I prefer May/June.  What about the weekend of Friday 14 May - 
 Sunday 16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or 
 starting Thursday night and happening Friday?  That's the weekend before 
 Victoria Day.  (The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!) Is 
 there any American holiday happening in there?
 
 Bill
 -- 
 William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org


Re: [CODE4LIB] Location of the first Code4Lib North meeting?

2010-01-20 Thread Edward M. Corrado
I guess I am also thinking that I wouldn't worry too much about flight 
patterns/prices for a local Code4Lib. With all of the hassles and 
expense of flying, it is not typically a good option for someone nearby. 
While it would be great to get people from a distance (and I am still 
considering going to Code4Lib NorthWest), I don't see that as the reason 
for local Code4Libs. If someone want to figure out how to get to a local 
from a distance, that's great and they should be welcomed, but I don't 
think that should be a planning concern. I would focus more on local 
modes of transport (trains, buses, cars, motorcycles, bicycles, 
scooters, etc.).


Edward



Patrick M. Lozeau wrote:

I would of loved to get people up to Montreal (bagels anybody?), but I must 
admit that Kingston is dead in the middle for a lot of us (Toronto, Ottawa, 
Montreal, NY state) and could be the easiest and cheapest for traveling.

Second half of May sounds great.

Patrick


Patrick M. Lozeau


Le 2010-01-20 à 15:39, William Denton a écrit :

  

My ranked ordering:

Kingston
Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto

It may easier to fly to the non-Kingston cities, but train/bus is easy and it's 
in the middle of the Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal hub.  Ridesharing would be easy 
and people could get there after work for the next day.

Library geeks from around here have probably been to Toronto, Ottawa, and 
Montreal (and Hamilton) fairly recently for conferences.  Not Kingston, though. 
 Plus I want to visit.  And Wendy Huot's ready to help set things up, and 
Michael Vandenburg and Martha Whitehead are there ...

For time, I prefer May/June.  What about the weekend of Friday 14 May - Sunday 
16 May, maybe starting Friday night and happening Saturday, or starting 
Thursday night and happening Friday?  That's the weekend before Victoria Day.  
(The 24th of May is actually on the 24th of May this year!) Is there any 
American holiday happening in there?

Bill
--
William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org