[CODE4LIB] A few bibframe examples

[Karen Coyle]

I sent this to the bibframe list, but figured that many folks here are 
not on that one:


I've run a few (very few) records through marc2bibframe. I have put the 
input file + the four output files into these zips:


A plain book: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16237135/book.zip
An atlas: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16237135/map.zip
A sound recording: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16237135/soundRecording.zip

marc2bibframe is software developed at LC, a first pass at converting 
MARC to the draft bibframe format.


Thanks to all who helped me get the development environment set up so I 
could run this.


kc

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Re: [CODE4LIB] #libtechwomen (was Re: Question abt the code4libwomen idea)

[Lisa H Kurt]

Great idea- thank you Lisa, Becky, Bohyun, and others for working to create a 
tech group for women. Long overdue. Count me in!

-Lisa Kurt

On Dec 7, 2012, at 11:07 AM, "Lisa Rabey"  wrote:

> Good afternoon,
> 
> Myself, Becky Yoose, and feelers out to a couple other people, are currently 
> in the very early stages of thinking we should do something (tm) that is 
> outside of Code4Lib.  The idea is a "group" (for a lack of a better word) 
> that is independent / inclusive that won't be segregated from the rest of 
> library land.  This should be encompassing for anyone who identifies 
> themselves as female, and works in technology and in libraries. 
> 
> We're thinking:
> *Activism
> *Visibility
> *Mentorships
> *Inclusive 
> *Independent of any existing organization, but should work with those 
> organizations (ALA, LITA, ASIST, EDUCause, etc)
> 
> (And that's what we came up with this morning.)
> 
> If you're interested, please feel free to join us on #libtechwomen on IRC or 
> email me privately or find me on twitter as @pnkrcklibrarian. 
> 
> Best,
> Lisa
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lisa M. Rabey, MA, MLIS
> 
> Systems & Web Librarian
> Grand Rapids Community College
> p: 616.234.3786 | e: lra...@grcc.edu 
> http://grcc.edu/library | http://grcc.edu/library/socialmedia 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

[Ross Singer]

Joshua, I don't think there is anything I can really add to what you've, in
my mind, summed up perfectly.

Six years ago, after a regrettable incident of insensitivity that I was
directly involved in [1], we had a similar period of reflection and
discussion about the culture we wanted to foster here.  Roy said something
at the time that has stuck with me, "the group that is the dominant
majority cannot understand what it's like to be an underrepresented
minority and therefore cannot dictate how they integrate into your group".
 Or something.  I'm paraphrasing, it was 6 years ago or so, after all.
 Anyway, the point is, it's not up to you to determine how other people
should feel about something if you want to include them in your community.

So, while, like Joshua says, it stings that we apparently haven't come far
enough that we don't need, as Bohyun called them, IGs, who are we to object
if that's what makes the place more welcoming (which, really, should be the
goal)?

-Ross.
1. I won't go into detail, but it's a source of shame and guilt and
something I've regretted since it happened. But it did happen and I own it.
Ultimately, however, it had the positive effect of both changing me and,
more importantly, was the catalyst for making Code4lib a far more inviting
place, which gives me hope -- applied toward the tech community at large --
for the redemptive quality of humanity when it has the will to do so.


On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Joshua Gomez  wrote:

> The past week or so I've been struggling to understand the reason for the
> strong opinions against a women's support group as a subbranch of code4lib
> or as an external entity. One argument is the reverse discrimination
> argument.  I'm not sure how many have actually been making this argument
> but it has definitely been made by some. I have little sympathy for this
> argument. Perhaps it makes logical sense when the situation is looked at in
> a very narrow perspective, but in the larger view which takes account of
> social context and history, it loses validity. And I don't think that
> reverse discrimination is the true concern of most of those that have
> voiced opinions against a sub-community for women (at least I hope not).
>
> Others have mentioned they fear that a subgroup will only decrease the
> diversity within code4lib by pulling women away from it and into the new
> group.  This was my initial concern as well, but when I look at other kinds
> of women in tech groups I realize that they don't decrease women's
> participation in mainstream groups. In fact they help boost women's
> profiles and skill sets, thus increasing their likelihood of participating
> in mainstream groups.
>
> I may be way off base here, but I think there is also something else going
> on besides those first two concerns. I think there is also a collective
> fear of shame and failure.  I think many of the white males in this
> community truly are sensitive to issues of equality and they want to show
> their support by making code4lib a place known for supporting diversity and
> equality. When a group which feels treated as less than equals creates a
> support group for themselves that creates public shame for the original
> group for failing to achieve its goals of equality. What's more, the idea
> of a splinter group came so soon on the heels of the original thread about
> the anti-harassment policy. The policy suggestion received a very large and
> very immediate showing of support from the community. So splintering now
> just as the community is showing what it can do to support diversity and
> equality is particularly frustrating.
>
> I can sympathize with those feelings.  But perhaps the support shown last
> week was simply too little too late. Especially considering that there are
> those still  pressing the first argument mentioned and making the situation
> uncomfortable. And since I am not a member of the group that has been
> discriminated against I don't think I or anyone else not in that group
> should try to dissuade them from doing what is in their best interest.
>
> Joshua Gomez
> Digital Library Programmer Analyst
> George Washington University Libraries
> 2130 H St, NW Washington, DC 20052
> (202) 994-8267
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Karen Coyle  wrote:
>
> > I'm all for people creating new social structures to move themselves
> > forward doing it however they see fit. The internet is a big place, and
> > there's room for more. In this case, though, I hope it will be an "and"
> > operation, not an exclusive "or". I would be happy to hear that a new
> group
> > formed and that it's going well. I would be disappointed if people in
> that
> > group ended up moving away from this one big group. It happens, and I'd
> get
> > over it, sure, but it'd still be disappointing. We gain something by
> > gathering together like we have here. It's not exclusive, nor should it
> be.
> > But code4lib has added so much to me and my work that I kno

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

[Cary Gordon]

I agree with Dan.

I am all for folks doing what they are called to do. I simply hope
that those efforts won't come at the expense of this group, because
code4lib, imperfect as it may be, is a wonderful resource.

Cary

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dan Chudnov  wrote:
> An opinion:
>
> I'm all for people creating new social structures to move themselves forward 
> doing it however they see fit.  The internet is a big place, and there's room 
> for more.  In this case, though, I hope it will be an "and" operation, not an 
> exclusive "or".  I would be happy to hear that a new group formed and that 
> it's going well.  I would be disappointed if people in that group ended up 
> moving away from this one big group.  It happens, and I'd get over it, sure, 
> but it'd still be disappointing.  We gain something by gathering together 
> like we have here.  It's not exclusive, nor should it be.  But code4lib has 
> added so much to me and my work that I know how much I stand to lose if we do 
> not also keep working to stick together, however difficult that can be 
> sometimes.



-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

[Karen Coyle]

Carol, I agree generally about not feeding the trolls, but if the trolls 
are making this an unpleasant place, then we need to speak out -- not by 
feeding them, but by making it clear that such messages make c4l an 
unfriendly place. We still don't know how to go about that at this 
point, and I second Mita that we need to decide if the 
"anti-discrimination policy" (because I do think it's as much about 
anti-discrimination as anti-harassment) is done or not. Then we need to 
have the discussion about: what does it mean to implement the policy?"


I've felt very uncomfortable about the strong reactions on this list 
against women taking an action that they wish to take, especially 
because some responses have tended to be unnecessarily vituperative. I 
think it is general uneasiness with our having broken the silence as 
women, thus "forcing" the community to address what is a difficult 
issue. I think we all wish that it wasn't an issue, and we're in the 
phase of "blame the messenger." What is MOST important is that this 
backlash doesn't make more women uneasy here. So we need to get through 
this before damage is done. I wish I had a concrete suggestion/answer, 
but all I can think of at the moment is that we must be very supportive 
of the community, men and women and "others," because it has great value 
for us.


kc

On 12/8/12 6:58 AM, Carol Bean wrote:

May I suggest some comments don't need a response because (1) they are intended 
facetiously and/or (2) they are trolling.  In either case, it's best to take 
the high ground and let them pass into oblivion, especially in highly charged 
discussions.

Carol

On Dec 8, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Mita Williams wrote:


This is the framing that I resonate with as well.

I really appreciate all the conversations as of late on code4lib and I find
that the poll on gender and community was incredibly illuminating. I'm
currently reading 'Unlocking the clubhouse' and there are large swaths
of relevant passages that apply that have to with the setting of model
behaviour in a field that might explain the high numbers who don't feel the
community that others do (An aside: when you are tempted to tell someone
else what to *feel* please re-consider).

One aspect of community is the sense of shared experience. If you are a
librarian, you don't have to explain the work that you do at in the same
way you have to do when you among non-librarians. That's part of the joy of
a community. In code4lib you can joke about text editors or what have you,
knowing most folks will get and maybe even laugh at the joke. Again, I want
to say that I appreciate the efforts of those who are taking the time to
explain where women's experiences are not so shared with men. I've seen
what I think is genuine reflection and re-thinking and that gladdens the
heart. That being said, comments like this
http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/archive/2012/201212/3988.html
feel
like trolling to me and the lack of response to such comments leaves me
disappointed. Having to constantly explains one's self doesn't lend to a
sense of community.

All that being said, I would hate the code4lib community to lose momentum
on the matter of the anti-harassment policy. Sadly, it is much needed.

M

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Bess Sadler  wrote:


On Dec 7, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Joshua Gomez  wrote:


Others have mentioned they fear that a subgroup will only decrease the
diversity within code4lib by pulling women away from it and into the new
group.  This was my initial concern as well, but when I look at other

kinds

of women in tech groups I realize that they don't decrease women's
participation in mainstream groups. In fact they help boost women's
profiles and skill sets, thus increasing their likelihood of

participating

in mainstream groups.

Well said, Joshua. Any separate women in technology groups I've been
involved with (e.g., devchix, grrlswithmodems back in the day) have been
what you describe here. These groups are supplementary, and create a place
to get support if one needs help navigating mainstream (and yes,
male-dominated) communities.

Bess



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Re: [CODE4LIB] Open source project questions

[Cary Gordon]

My take is in the quote.

Cary

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Donna Campbell  wrote:
> 1. What kind of skill sets (esp. programming) should I be seeking?

The first and foremost skill you'll need is vision along with the
ability to articulate it. Next you need management and organization.
If you have those upfront, the coding will be easy(ish).

> 2. Where would the best place to host an open source project (e.g.,

I prefer GitHub.

> 3. What software/hardware would you recommend that would be a means to a
> quality end-product as well as provide efficiency?

Use AWS or another infrastructure service that won't lock you in. That
way you can change resources as your needs change. Don't buy servers.

Software will depend on your approach. If you can find an existing
project to build on, you can concentrate on building just what you
need. If not, choose a modern programming language appropriate to the
scale of what you are doing. In my opinion, Python and Ruby are at the
top of that list. I suspect that Ruby is a bit most popular in this
venue.

We work mostly in PHP, because most of our work is building on top of
Drupal, A WCMS written in PHP.

> 4. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Pick a license before you start.

I agree with Tom Cramer that the key element of spinning up an open
source project is setting the governance model.

Cary

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The Cherry Hill Company
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

[Carol Bean]

May I suggest some comments don't need a response because (1) they are intended 
facetiously and/or (2) they are trolling.  In either case, it's best to take 
the high ground and let them pass into oblivion, especially in highly charged 
discussions. 

Carol

On Dec 8, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Mita Williams wrote:

> This is the framing that I resonate with as well.
> 
> I really appreciate all the conversations as of late on code4lib and I find
> that the poll on gender and community was incredibly illuminating. I'm
> currently reading 'Unlocking the clubhouse' and there are large swaths
> of relevant passages that apply that have to with the setting of model
> behaviour in a field that might explain the high numbers who don't feel the
> community that others do (An aside: when you are tempted to tell someone
> else what to *feel* please re-consider).
> 
> One aspect of community is the sense of shared experience. If you are a
> librarian, you don't have to explain the work that you do at in the same
> way you have to do when you among non-librarians. That's part of the joy of
> a community. In code4lib you can joke about text editors or what have you,
> knowing most folks will get and maybe even laugh at the joke. Again, I want
> to say that I appreciate the efforts of those who are taking the time to
> explain where women's experiences are not so shared with men. I've seen
> what I think is genuine reflection and re-thinking and that gladdens the
> heart. That being said, comments like this
> http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/archive/2012/201212/3988.html
> feel
> like trolling to me and the lack of response to such comments leaves me
> disappointed. Having to constantly explains one's self doesn't lend to a
> sense of community.
> 
> All that being said, I would hate the code4lib community to lose momentum
> on the matter of the anti-harassment policy. Sadly, it is much needed.
> 
> M
> 
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Bess Sadler  wrote:
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Joshua Gomez  wrote:
>> 
>>> Others have mentioned they fear that a subgroup will only decrease the
>>> diversity within code4lib by pulling women away from it and into the new
>>> group.  This was my initial concern as well, but when I look at other
>> kinds
>>> of women in tech groups I realize that they don't decrease women's
>>> participation in mainstream groups. In fact they help boost women's
>>> profiles and skill sets, thus increasing their likelihood of
>> participating
>>> in mainstream groups.
>> 
>> Well said, Joshua. Any separate women in technology groups I've been
>> involved with (e.g., devchix, grrlswithmodems back in the day) have been
>> what you describe here. These groups are supplementary, and create a place
>> to get support if one needs help navigating mainstream (and yes,
>> male-dominated) communities.
>> 
>> Bess
>> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Question abt the code4libwomen idea

[Mita Williams]

This is the framing that I resonate with as well.

I really appreciate all the conversations as of late on code4lib and I find
that the poll on gender and community was incredibly illuminating. I'm
currently reading 'Unlocking the clubhouse' and there are large swaths
of relevant passages that apply that have to with the setting of model
behaviour in a field that might explain the high numbers who don't feel the
community that others do (An aside: when you are tempted to tell someone
else what to *feel* please re-consider).

One aspect of community is the sense of shared experience. If you are a
librarian, you don't have to explain the work that you do at in the same
way you have to do when you among non-librarians. That's part of the joy of
a community. In code4lib you can joke about text editors or what have you,
knowing most folks will get and maybe even laugh at the joke. Again, I want
to say that I appreciate the efforts of those who are taking the time to
explain where women's experiences are not so shared with men. I've seen
what I think is genuine reflection and re-thinking and that gladdens the
heart. That being said, comments like this
http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/archive/2012/201212/3988.html
 feel
like trolling to me and the lack of response to such comments leaves me
disappointed. Having to constantly explains one's self doesn't lend to a
sense of community.

All that being said, I would hate the code4lib community to lose momentum
on the matter of the anti-harassment policy. Sadly, it is much needed.

M

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Bess Sadler  wrote:

> On Dec 7, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Joshua Gomez  wrote:
>
> > Others have mentioned they fear that a subgroup will only decrease the
> > diversity within code4lib by pulling women away from it and into the new
> > group.  This was my initial concern as well, but when I look at other
> kinds
> > of women in tech groups I realize that they don't decrease women's
> > participation in mainstream groups. In fact they help boost women's
> > profiles and skill sets, thus increasing their likelihood of
> participating
> > in mainstream groups.
>
> Well said, Joshua. Any separate women in technology groups I've been
> involved with (e.g., devchix, grrlswithmodems back in the day) have been
> what you describe here. These groups are supplementary, and create a place
> to get support if one needs help navigating mainstream (and yes,
> male-dominated) communities.
>
> Bess
>