I'm a freelance software developer not embedded in a library, but I use
Heroku routinely to host apps I'm developing for fun, or as a testing site,
and one of my clients deploys its production app on Heroku. It took me a
while to wrap my head around, but I love it to little tiny pieces (and once
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Salazar, Christina <
> Having gone to C4L in 2007 in Athens, when it was I think 150 people (ha!
> Let's be honest: 145 men and 5 women) and then again in 2015 in Portland
> and 2014 in Raleigh, the Code 4 Lib that once was is no
I’ve been wondering if Code4Lib could consider applying for membership +
fiscal sponsorship through Fractured Atlas, which is a non-profit that
provides fiscal sponsorship for non-commercial arts (/cultural sector?)
organizations that do not have 501 c 3 status. Here’s their page about
Having been through something like this in the past that went very badly, a
small bit of advice:
If the impetus for forming a company is protection from liability for the
Annual Conference, form it solely for that purpose.
Leaving it open-ended will bring in everyone's ideas. Many of them will
I want to boost Terry's thread as well.
Having gone to C4L in 2007 in Athens, when it was I think 150 people (ha! Let's
be honest: 145 men and 5 women) and then again in 2015 in Portland and 2014 in
Raleigh, the Code 4 Lib that once was is no more. Long live Code4Lib.
If we continue to want a
Thanks for the information Peter (and best of luck at Index Data).
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Peter Murray wrote:
> I did look at this while I was at LYRASIS a few years ago. (I'm now at
> Cherry Hill -- soon to be at Index Data -- http://dltj.org/p27236 ). At
I also am unsure, Eric, how you imagine we could have a "smaller" annual
meeting. Clearly the community wants to go. It is large. Tickets sell out
quickly. I couldn't have gotten a ticket for this year's even if I had not
been in the process of moving to Notre Dame and thus between funding,
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Terry Reese wrote:
> >> Fiscal agents are ultimately responsible for the contracts they are
> >> going to be signing. In the case of this conference, that is easily
> well over $200K.
> I think that this is the first
I did look at this while I was at LYRASIS a few years ago. (I'm now at Cherry
Hill -- soon to be at Index Data -- http://dltj.org/p27236 ). At the time they
had an "association management" division that did this sort of thing. They
disbanded that division before I left, but they are under
Fwiw over here at the Metropolitan New York Library Council we might be
able to help from an organizational perspective. I'd certainly be open to
the idea. Not sure exactly what it means though.
On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Coral Sheldon-Hess wrote:
> I think this
>> Fiscal agents are ultimately responsible for the contracts they are
>> going to be signing. In the case of this conference, that is easily well
>> over $200K.
I think that this is the first pertinent question for the community to decide.
The conference wasn't always this big, this
++ to Tom on this as I see a tremendous emotional and bureaucratic expense
every year for the organizing committee (or at least the last 2, where I've
paid attention to it). It is certainly distributed in different locales who
are hosting, but it already exists. I don't think we can deny that it's
In an effort to um... help this conversation, I think it's useful to think
about the fiduciary agent issue as being separate from formalizing Code4Lib as
Please, please, please don't let our reluctance to be organized kill the idea
that we're proposing of reintroducing some sort of
I'm pretty new to C4L, mostly just an evesdropper.
Sounds though what the group is looking for is to form a lightweight as
possible NGO / Non Profit style entity that can operate as an organization
independent of its constituent parts for purposes of liability.
A business law expert, more
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 10:53 PM, Mike Giarlo wrote:
> > Can you say more about what you expect "the emotional and bureaucratic
> expense" to be?
> Bureaucratic and emotional expenses include
Eric, I agree that I wouldn't want to have an organization that existed to
govern all things Code4lib - but I don't think that's what's on the table
here. What I'm hearing is a call for a persistent entity that can do things
like sign contracts and hold funds from year to year, pursuant to
I would take issue with the idea that "an existing library non-profit might
be able to do this without that much overhead." I think that we, as a
community, severely underestimate the amount of work it takes to coordinate
a conference like ours.
Fiscal agents are ultimately responsible for the
> The inside will make decisions and the outside won’t understand and feel
This happens in all groups at a certain size, regardless of their structure
or organizational mechanism.
> Somebody will always come forward. It will just happen.
That's a faith I wish I shared. The liability
On Jun 7, 2016, at 10:53 PM, Mike Giarlo wrote:
>>> I'm also interested in investigating how to formalize Code4Lib as an
>>> entity, for all of the reasons listed earlier in the thread…
>> -1 because I don’t think the benefits will outweigh the emotional and
Would be interested to know this too — from my role and perspective in the 2016
conference, the fiscal organization’s responsibility is a big one, but the
overhead of securing one every year is a lot more work, emotional and
bureaucratic, than having an established one would be. I would
++ Tom – I think the Code4LibConDocs efforts have been an attempt to remediate
that somewhat. However, from my perspective, it really makes clear how
difficult this process is, and how much we’re all asking of the really small
number of our colleagues who volunteer (!) to take on this task
> Can you say more about what you expect "the emotional and bureaucratic
expense" to be?
And especially, how it doesn't just reflect the existing costs of running
the conferences? Do we really believe there is overhead associated with
establishing a fiscal organization once, rather than doing it
Another example to look at is Open Repositories, which entered into an MOU with
CLIR last year to serve as "financial sponsor" for the OR conference series. In
this model, CLIR does not bear the financial risk of the annual conference but
essentially serves as a banker for any surplus
Can you say more about what you expect "the emotional and bureaucratic expense"
From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Eric Lease
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 13:49
> I'm also interested in investigating how to formalize Code4Lib as an
> entity, for all of the reasons listed earlier in the thread…
-1 because I don’t think the benefits will outweigh the emotional and
bureaucratic expense. We already have enough rules.
We are establishing a relationship with the DLF for email purposes. Might they
be willing to be our organization?
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Esmé
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:41 PM
At one point Lyrasis offered to do this when Peter Murray was there. I
don't remeber to what degree this was investigated but at the time the
community generally wasn't in favor. I have no idea if Lyrasis would be
interested (and Peter is now elsewhere, I believe) but it might be
somethign to look
I don't think there is any Hydra legal entity (hence the need for a financial
host), and the MOU is signed on behalf of the leadership committee. So I think
it boils down to being organized enough for the financial host to be
comfortable entering into an agreement with them.
I can ask the
This is a big deal. And one that has no great outcome. Y'all deserve the
appreciation and thanks of the community. You certainly have mine.
>My thanks to the Tennessee folks for handling this with such grace.
This sounds like an intriguing option. What is "Hydra" that it is able to
enter into an MOU - is the steering group an incorporated entity?
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Esmé Cowles wrote:
> I remember another option being brought up: picking an official
Has anybody created a chat bot to answer basic questions (what are the
hours, how many books can I check out) for the Library's chat reference
service? If so would you be willing to share your code? I have just
started to explore this so any direction or resources would be of help.
My thanks to the Tennessee folks for handling this with such grace.
I can recall with visceral physicality the feeling of staring at the budget
commitments for 2015, in the days before registration opened. It's a deep
pit we dig ourselves into each year; and it's great that we reliably refill
Thanks Carol! And +1.
Apart from any concern for the the relative benefits or pitfalls of any
kind of *-ocracy, it seems abundantly clear that in order to continue to
hold a large scale national conference each year we need someone to "do" a
stable fiscal agent for that purpose. It would be wise
I remember another option being brought up: picking an official organizational
home for C4L that would handle being the financial host for the conference, and
possibly other things (conference carryover, scholarship fundraising, holding
intellectual property, etc.). An existing library
I think this deserves its own thread--thanks for bringing it up, Christina!
I'm also interested in investigating how to formalize Code4Lib as an
entity, for all of the reasons listed earlier in the thread. I can't
volunteer to be the leader/torch-bearer/main source of energy behind the
This can't have been an easy decision. Thank you, to the Chattanooga local
committee, for all of the work you've already put in -- much of which will
be, sadly, even more invisible, now that we are not holding the conference
I'm not sad that we aren't holding the conference in
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Nice to see a fellow Wisconsinite on here!
Many of the libraries in the WVLS system do just what you're thinking about
doing. That is, they utilize Deep Freeze to maintain systems' states but
also utilize fairly open configs for patron computers. Standard local user
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Congrats Eric Lease Morgan. A real eye opener for me.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:18 PM, McAulay, Lisa
> Hi Eric,
> I really enjoyed this message. Thanks for sharing!
> > On Jun 7, 2016, at 2:49 AM, Eric Lease Morgan
Not only quite difficult, but fiscally irresponsible... We'd be asking an
organization unaffiliated with Code4Lib to guarantee contracts for hundreds of
thousands of dollars -- when there is a legitimate concern that Tennessee could
pass legislation that would cause almost half of our
It is a confluence of considerations, rather than a question of percentage.
I would guess that the swing between "current" and "if passed" makes securing
the financial sponsor quite difficult.
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:20 AM
Just listening in, part of the discussion on Slack and IRC made it
sound like the financing was the bigger issue.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Matt Connolly wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Brian Rogers
> > wrote:
This is cross-posted on LITA-L. Apologies if you're seeing this twice.
We're in the process of making some updates to our public computers and I
thought I would survey the crowd to see what people are doing to lock up access
to the 'guts' of the computer.
The computers are all running Windows
On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Brian Rogers
We’ve determined that given this community’s commitment to providing a safe and
accommodating environment for all attendees, it is morally and fiscally
irresponsible to continue the effort of
I really enjoyed this message. Thanks for sharing!
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 2:49 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> In the past few weeks I have had some interesting experiences with WorldCat,
> VIAF, and the Levenshtein algorithm. [1, 2]
> In short, I was
It's probably too late for a 2017 but I really do think it's time to reopen the
question of formalizing Code4Lib IF ONLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF BEING THE
FIDUCIARY AGENT for the annual conference.
Local (and national) politics aside, it's very difficult to stand in front of
your boss (or worse, a
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On May 12, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
>> Alas, the Code4Lib mailing list software will most likely need to be
>> migrated before the end of summer, and I’m proposing a number possible
>> options for the lists continued existence...
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