[CODE4LIB] holdings standards/protocols

2009-11-16 Thread Chris Keene

Hi

We recently implemented a new third party web catalogue (Aquabrowser).

So far so good, and separating the web based discovery layer from the 
monolithic ILS seems to be the right direction.


However there seems to be two areas of weakness: Holdings and 'My 
Accout' (renewal, reservations). i.e. the need for  *any* 
catalogue/discovery system to allow users to see holdings and account 
info from *any* ils.



I'm trying to get my facts right on the current situation. Any help 
appreciated.


re Holdings.  Two things come up when asking around and looking on the 
web (some what briefly), Z39.50 and ISO 20775.


Can anyone give me an idea if any/many/all (ILS) Z implementations have 
implemented the holdings information?


Is there a way of testing this using a client such as yaz (e.g. a worked 
example of seeing holdings via Z)


Is there interest from ILS suppliers in the ISO holdings standard, are 
any of them implementing it?


http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso20775/
http://www.portia.dk/zholdings/
http://www.nlbconference.com/ilds/plenary4B.htm


Thanks for any info
Chris
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Re: [CODE4LIB] holdings standards/protocols

2009-11-16 Thread Chris Keene

On 16/11/2009 14:19, Ian Ibbotson wrote:

Heya Chris.. Index Data used to maintain a public registry of z3950
targets, and I think it used to show which targets support the OPAC-1
record syntax as a means of supporting holdings info.. Might be a good
place to start?

Ian.


Ah, here it is:
http://irspy.indexdata.com/find.html

I've checked a few records, but it doesn't seem to mention opac-1 even 
for one where it is supported:

http://irspy.indexdata.com/full.html?id=Z39.50%3Anemesis.kent.ac.uk%3A7090%2Fvoyager


Cheers
Chris
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Re: [CODE4LIB] holdings standards/protocols

2009-11-16 Thread Chris Keene

On 16/11/2009 14:30, B.C.Charlton wrote:

Voyager certainly can - see example below.



Z  open nemesis.kent.ac.uk:7090


OK

Looks like our Talis system can't using the same process :(

promptyaz_client
Z open ustie1.lib.sussex.ac.uk:2121
Connecting...OK.
Sent initrequest.
Connection accepted by v3 target.
ID : 81
Name   : Zebra Information Server/GFS/YAZ (YAZ Proxy)
Version: Zebra 2.0.7/1.104/2.1.40/1.2.1
Options: search present delSet triggerResourceCtrl scan sort 
extendedServices namedResultSets

Elapsed: 0.010311
Z base prod_talis
Z format opac
Z find 9783540731443
Sent searchRequest.
Received SearchResponse.
Search was a success.
Number of hits: 1, setno 1
SearchResult-1: term=9783540731443 cnt=1
records returned: 0
Elapsed: 0.071800
Z show 1
Sent presentRequest (1+1).
Records: 1
[prod_talis]Diagnostic message(s) from database:
[238] Record not available in requested syntax -- v2 addinfo ''
nextResultSetPosition = 2
Elapsed: 0.536961



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Re: [CODE4LIB] holdings standards/protocols

2009-11-16 Thread Chris Keene

On 16/11/2009 15:09, Ross Singer wrote:

No, holdings aren't exported to Zebra.

That being said, the opacxml format could be pretty easily added to
the jangle connector.  There's also something similar (well, sort of)
in Keystone.

What exactly are you looking for?  Does this functionality work with
AquaBrowser implementations on Voyager or III?

I guess what I'm asking is, is the Z39.50 holdings format exactly what
you want, or would there be a more ideal format to use?  The opac
format gets pretty gnarly with serials, for example (of course,
everything does).


Good question.

When our Aquabrowser service was set up (http://catalogue.sussex.ac.uk/) 
by Medialab, they used - wait for it - screenscrapping to get holdings 
from our ILS catalogue (Talis Prism 2).


But I guess I'm trying to take step back and say what should our 
suppliers be supporting?
If you were designing a web interface to search one or more ILS tomorrow 
(replacement catalogue interface or perhaps a union catalogue) what 
would you need to implement to show holdings information?


It seems the answer so far is z39.50 is your best bet for some systems. 
Jaggle seems like promising next step.


But z39.50 isn't exactly a protocol of a web age. However it looks like 
there is nothing out there at the moment which can provide holdings via 
the web. Perhaps that is what ISO 20775 is trying to achieve?


What was I asking? Not so much a question, but I wanted to understand 
what the current situation is. And what I should be encouraging 
suppliers to support. (and what I should be checking for when evaluating 
systems)


There are a lot of new-ish 'Discovery layer' apps out there:
http://dltj.org/article/niso-discovery-presentation-links/
But it seems none of these can perfectly plug-in to any ILS and act as a 
replacement catalogue while there are no (decent) standards in this area.


These systems can have fantastic ranking, great looks and more, but if 
it can't show if the item is on loan, or which library it's in, or 
classmark, then users will see this as a step back.


It seems odd that this seems something that isn't really resolved yet 
(though I may be wrong, still getting my head around it). Interested in 
anyone's thoughts on the matter.


Cheers
Chris



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Re: [CODE4LIB] AquaBrowser Libraries Group

2009-10-27 Thread Chris Keene

Hi

I just want to backup Edward's comments.

I'm happy to discuss just about anything openly, though it is useful to 
have product specific lists, and yes at times useful to know that 
certain vendors or third party salesmen are not going to contact you as 
a result of posting.


Aquabrowser has many good points, but has lacked any sort of community, 
add to this the very limited documentation - which could lead to 
confusion as to what is a feature and what is a bespoke addition that 
another site has commissioned/developed. I even tried asking on the 
Aquabrowser Facebook fan page discussion board - its only post!

This mailing list is a very welcome addition.

Chris

On 22/10/2009 15:45, Edward M. Corrado wrote:

I don't see this as an interesting difference at all. Almost all
[larger] vendor-supplied products in the library world have their own
discussion lists that are limited to people that use/license their
products. We even see this with Open Source products such as Koha.
Although I do not use AquaBrowser, unlike almost all other library
specific-software of this magnitude I understand that AquaBrowser does
not have a user group (formal or informal). There currently is very few
ways (no way?) for users of this product to converse with each other and
share ideas.

There are numerous reasons for wanting to share information on a closed
list that can range from not wanting to spam a larger community with a
how do activate a widget in product A to asking questions/sharing
information that for whatever reason you don't want to or can't share
with the whole world (e.g. non-disclosure agreements, public relations
concerns, privacy concerns, not wanting your name in open archives
attached to something, etc.). In fact, in some cases you may not even
want the vendor on the list the way some Voyager systems administrators
created a list that excluded Endeavor (and now Ex Libris) and
non-systems people at Voyager sites. This made people feel much more
comfortable asking questions that maybe they would otherwise be
embarrassed or reluctant to ask.
[snip]



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[CODE4LIB] Thomson Reuters's lawsuit against Zotero

2009-06-04 Thread Chris Keene
I've just seen via the Zotero twitter feed the Thomson lawsuit against 
The Center for History and New Media at George Mason University has been 
dropped


http://quintessenceofham.org/2009/06/04/thomson-reuters-lawsuit-dismissed/

http://twitter.com/zotero/statuses/2033217181

Good news! Thought others may be interested


Chris