Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2016 headed to Philadelphia

2015-03-09 Thread Michael B. Klein
I was going to write a longer reply, but Maureen's video summed it all up. See y'all in Philly! On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Maureen Callahan < maureen.calla...@gmail.com> wrote: > PHILLY RULEZ > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agLVlfLQdao > > See you there, > Maureen > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2015

[CODE4LIB] Technology for Librarians / Libraries for Technologians

2014-09-03 Thread Michael B. Klein
Hi all, I was talking this afternoon with a friend of mine about what makes a good Director of Library IT. Does the job lie more within librarianship or IT? (Depends on the library.) Is there a natural separation between the "Library IT" of ILS/MARC/e-resource/circ. technology maintenance and the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Reminder: Send in your questions for Valerie!

2014-03-20 Thread Michael B. Klein
HOW DO I SHOVE THIS INDEX CARD INTO MY TWITTER?! On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Roy Tennant wrote: > You kids. All about the technology. > > PollEverywhere looks useful, thanks. Now GET OFF MY LAWN. > Roy > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:32 AM, Sibyl Schaefer >wrote: > > > In lieu of index c

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job: Test Post at Anonymous

2014-01-15 Thread Michael B. Klein
k that objection. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Michael B. Klein >> wrote: >> >>> I object to your mocking. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Ross Singer >>> wrote: >>> >&g

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job: Test Post at Anonymous

2014-01-15 Thread Michael B. Klein
I object to your mocking. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Ross Singer wrote: > No, it's cool. I've learned about mocking objects since then. > > -Ross. > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Michael B. Klein >wrote: > > > I am interested in the post

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job: Test Post at Anonymous

2014-01-15 Thread Michael B. Klein
I am interested in the post testing job. Please send details. Do not be fooled by Ross Singer; he is dangerous. The last post he tested caused the entire 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Ross Singer wrote: > HELLO, IS THERE AN OPTION FOR TELECOMMUTING. > > ASKIN

Re: [CODE4LIB] Python and Ruby

2013-07-29 Thread Michael B. Klein
Ross's list was great. I will add that for screen scraping, Ruby has Mechanize , which makes most static page interaction pretty easy. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Jon P. Stroop wrote: > s/ruby/any_language/ > > Why not learn both? As with spoken l

[CODE4LIB] Avalon Media System release 1.0 available

2013-05-08 Thread Michael B. Klein
University and Northwestern University and is funded in part by a three-year National Leadership Grant from the Institute of Museum and Library Services. To learn more about the Avalon project generally, please visit our project website: http://www.avalonmediasystem.org/ Kind regards, Michael B

Re: [CODE4LIB] Conference "all-timers?"

2013-02-15 Thread Michael B. Klein
I'm an (n-2)-timer. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Andrew Nagy wrote: > Around where I was sitting - there was myself, Dan Chudnov and Karen > Coombs. > > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Michael J. Giarlo < > leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Every year when hands shoo

Re: [CODE4LIB] Group Decision Making (was Zoia)

2013-01-25 Thread Michael B. Klein
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Shaun Ellis wrote: > > But deciding to situations in context without a set of guidelines is > simply another kind of policy. In other words, "You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice," amirit

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zoia

2013-01-22 Thread Michael B. Klein
If anyone feels like sorting through the Quote, Dunno, Blame, Disclaimer, LoveHate, Praise, Sarge, and/or Tantrum databases to weed out potentially off-putting materials, I can extract and email them. They're flat-file DBs, and pretty easy to read through quickly. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM,

Re: [CODE4LIB] A gentle proposal: slim down zoia during the conference

2013-01-17 Thread Michael B. Klein
I agree with the esteemed neckbeard from Pennsylvania. But I would also be in favor of muting the snarfer-class plugins, especially @dunno. I've been thinking for a while that it might be time to change zoia's alert character from @ to something that's not (now) universally recognized as a reply/at

Re: [CODE4LIB] Survey

2012-11-27 Thread Michael B. Klein
These are all interesting questions, but mostly, COME BACK TO THE CHANNEL AND THE CON, ROSY. :-) On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Rosalyn Metz wrote: > Sorry all. The original question posed by Chad was whether or not we should > be concerned about the number of women presenters at Code4Lib. I

Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?

2012-11-26 Thread Michael B. Klein
bess++ anarchivist++ mjgiarlo++ community++ I look forward to following and participating in this process, as long as the fact that my iPhone just tried to autocorrect "bess" to "beds" doesn't torpedo my credibility in this area. Michael On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Michael J. Giarlo" wro

Re: [CODE4LIB] 2013 Code4lib Registration Details

2012-11-26 Thread Michael B. Klein
Can you provide any additional details such as cost and maximum number of attendees? On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Francis Kayiwa wrote: > Registration for the 2013 Code4lib Conference will commence tomorrow at > noon Eastern. That is 2012, November 27th at noon EST or 1700 UTC. > > The URI

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2013 Presentation Election now open!

2012-11-13 Thread Michael B. Klein
Results brought to you by @zalgo. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Becky Yoose wrote: > Not a voting problem per se, but the results page in IE9 [1] in Win7 threw > up up everywhere: http://screencast.com/t/lUnwFl8h > > Otherwise, yay new design :cD > > Thanks, > Becky > > [1] Related: don't a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4lib 2013 Presentation Election now open!

2012-11-13 Thread Michael B. Klein
Hmm. Wishing now that I'd called my proposal "Avalon Media System" instead of "The Avalon Media System". I didn't realize options would be alphabetical. :-( ;-) (Though maybe random ordering would be a Good Thing to Consider for future votes with a large number of options.) On Tue, Nov 13, 2012

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-11 Thread Michael B. Klein
I hear Roy Tennant talked Chuck Norris' fists into not punching him in the face. That's how smart Roy Tennant is. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Frumkin, Jeremy < frumk...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote: > Is Roy Tennant smarter than Chuck Norris is tough? > > -- jaf > > Sent from my iPad > > On J

Re: [CODE4LIB] Bootstrap vs Foundation

2012-05-10 Thread Michael B. Klein
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Jessie Keck wrote: > style-guids You mean like this? 6f62d22-9aff-11e1-9b04-dc2b61fffec6

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q.: MARC8 vs. MARC/Unicode and pymarc and misencoded III records

2012-03-09 Thread Michael B. Klein
The internal discussion then becomes, "I have a need, and I've written something that satisfies it. I think it could also be useful to others, but I'm not going to have time to make major changes or implement features others need. Should I open source this or keep it to myself? Does freeing my code

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q.: MARC8 vs. MARC/Unicode and pymarc and misencoded III records

2012-03-08 Thread Michael B. Klein
For what it's worth, my patch was a stopgap measure, and acknowledged as such at the time. My proposal for a real, comprehensive solution was detailed in a comment in a (now-closed) issue Github ticket[1]. If I'd had the time and the knowledge, I would have implemented it that way. If I'd had the

Re: [CODE4LIB] After we left Seattle...

2012-02-23 Thread Michael B. Klein
You need to ask? On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Nick Ruest wrote: > Is there a declicorn bounty on that last image? > > -nruest > > > On 12-02-22 09:02 PM, Michael B. Klein wrote: > >> ...the Faerie Convention moved into our conference space. >> >> http

[CODE4LIB] After we left Seattle...

2012-02-22 Thread Michael B. Klein
...the Faerie Convention moved into our conference space. http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/02/13/seattle-faeriecon-2012-a-retrospective Unfortunately (for them), they didn't have Corey streaming their festivities.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Conference IRC logs

2012-02-07 Thread Michael B. Klein
/nick sesuncedu On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Simon Spero wrote: > /nick edsu > On Feb 7, 2012 6:51 AM, "Jay Luker" wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Just a reminder: the #code4lib IRC channel will be logged and the logs > made > > available for viewing at http://irc.code4lib.org at some point du

Re: [CODE4LIB] Another Sharpie Opportunity

2012-02-03 Thread Michael B. Klein
canadian_snacks++ On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Tara Robertson wrote: > I grabbed Erik's spot (with his blessing). If this isn't OK I'll be > hanging out in the lobby, possibly with snacks from Canada. I will also > bring my own Sharpie. > > This will be my first code4lib conference--I'm sup

Re: [CODE4LIB] Another Sharpie Opportunity

2012-02-03 Thread Michael B. Klein
The conference organizers have (with good reason) closed the window on official changes to the participant list, and with matching available slots to waitlisted participants. So unless they choose to publish the waitlist, we're stuck with the ad hoc grab bag system. There might be a good way to us

Re: [CODE4LIB] Rare opportunity to join the elite IRC Access Code4LibCon committee

2012-02-03 Thread Michael B. Klein
Freenode support has notified me that our request has been completed. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Michael B. Klein wrote: > FYI, I have just sent the request to Freenode. I'll follow up with them a > few days before the con, but we should be all set. > > Michael > >

Re: [CODE4LIB] GetLamp screening at Code4Lib

2012-01-31 Thread Michael B. Klein
Yeah, I don't have a problem screening it multiple times.[1] And like I said, there's tons of extra footage if anyone's interested. Michael [1] As long as the needle doesn't wear out the groove on my DVD. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Michael J. Giarlo < leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu> wrote: >

Re: [CODE4LIB] barcode scanner with memory

2012-01-30 Thread Michael B. Klein
d. Michael On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Adam Wead wrote: > huh. neat idea. certainly beats paying hundreds of dollars for some > other scanner. > > On Jan 30, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Michael B. Klein wrote: > > > I think Kyle's point was that you could use a hardwa

Re: [CODE4LIB] barcode scanner with memory

2012-01-30 Thread Michael B. Klein
I think Kyle's point was that you could use a hardware keylogger *without* the computer behind it. Just have it "snoop" on your barcode scanner and then download the data from it daily. You'd still need to feed it USB power, but that's not hard. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Nate Vack wrote:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Super Bowl

2012-01-29 Thread Michael B. Klein
Yep! Jessie Keck and I discussed getting together to watch; this thread is as good a place as any to decide where! :-) My flight gets in around 11am. Michael On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Patrick Berry wrote: > I'll be flying in Sunday around noon. Is anybody is interested in finding > a pu

Re: [CODE4LIB] 2012 preconference proposals wanted!

2012-01-26 Thread Michael B. Klein
ng this. beers on me in 2013, > > rc > > > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Cary Gordon > wrote: > > > Excellent! > > > > > > Let me know how I can help. > > > > > > Cary > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:52 P

Re: [CODE4LIB] GetLamp viewing at code4libCon

2012-01-24 Thread Michael B. Klein
FWIW, the main feature runs about 1:31, but the 2-disc set also includes a 47-minute "History of Infocom" featurette and a whole lot of additional material and interviews. Total running time for both disks is 4 hours, 37 minutes. I think we'll just start with the main feature and take it from there

Re: [CODE4LIB] Get Lamp showing at cod4libcon

2012-01-23 Thread Michael B. Klein
main menu offers two versions of the film -- Interactive, and Non-Interactive. I'm assuming for a group showing, we're going to want to just watch passively. If we're going to want the Interactive version, though, I might have to just suck it up and bring the discs. On Mon, Jan 9, 2

Re: [CODE4LIB] Rare opportunity to join the elite IRC Access Code4LibCon committee

2012-01-21 Thread Michael B. Klein
gt; ambassador to Freenode. > > The hotel is supplying IP, so I will check with them to get the info. > > Thanks, > > Cary > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Michael B. Klein > wrote: > > I wrote up a piece on how to ask Freenode to temporarily raise/remove the >

Re: [CODE4LIB] 2012 preconference proposals wanted!

2012-01-19 Thread Michael B. Klein
Anjanette brought this up on the conference mailing list, and asked for a new facilitator. I volunteered. I was going to throw together a little intro and some starting points, and then throw it open to the room to share information and ask questions. But I think your name was on the board first, C

Re: [CODE4LIB] Get Lamp showing at cod4libcon

2012-01-09 Thread Michael B. Klein
DVD ordered! Do we know what kind of large-screen viewing/projector device we'll have in the hospitality/hostility suite? I can currently handle VGA and HDMI, but I'm not sure about DVI. Michael On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Adam Wead wrote: > Hi all, > > There's been some discussion on IRC

Re: [CODE4LIB] Rare opportunity to join the elite IRC Access Code4LibCon committee

2011-12-23 Thread Michael B. Klein
I wrote up a piece on how to ask Freenode to temporarily raise/remove the connection limit from the conference's IP block for the duration of the conference. That has made a huge difference the past two years: http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/How_To_Plan_A_Code4LibCon#Freenode_IRC_connection I'

Re: [CODE4LIB] automatic greeking of sample files

2011-12-12 Thread Michael B. Klein
-ed, -ing, etc.) alone (assuming the indexer uses some sort of stemming algorithm). On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Brian Tingle < brian.tingle.cdlib@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael B. Klein >wrote: > > > Here's a snippet that wil

Re: [CODE4LIB] automatic greeking of sample files

2011-12-12 Thread Michael B. Klein
Hi Brian, Your contributors might not consider Pig Latin, or anything else that can be easily turned back into plaintext, to be "not releasing their actual records." :-) Here's a snippet that will completely randomize the contents of an arbitrary string while replacing the general flow (vowels re

Re: [CODE4LIB] Pander Bear goes to Seattle (humor)

2011-12-05 Thread Michael B. Klein
ROFL. Thanks, Michael. I needed that. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:55 PM, David Uspal wrote: > MichaelDoran++ > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of > Doran, Michael D > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:00 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.

Re: [CODE4LIB] marc in json

2011-12-01 Thread Michael B. Klein
+1 to marc-in-json +1 to newline-delimited records +1 to read support +1 to edsu, rsinger, BillDueber, gmcharlt, and the other module maintainers On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Keith Jenkins wrote: > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Gabriel Farrell > wrote:> I suspect newline-delimited will wi

Re: [CODE4LIB] Pandering for votes for code4lib sessions

2011-11-30 Thread Michael B. Klein
IIRC, we've gone around on this before. It's been argued (possibly by me, but definitely by others) that those *not* attending the con have a stake in the outcomes, too, what with the streaming and the archiving and whatnot. I agree that blatant electioneering is a problem -- every year, there are

Re: [CODE4LIB] Voting is open for code4lib 2012 presentations.

2011-11-22 Thread Michael B. Klein
Hmm. 404'ing for me now. On Nov 22, 2011, at 4:22 AM, Ross Singer wrote: > Ok, the results screen should no longer be throwing an error. > > Vote early, vote often, > -Ross. > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Ross Singer wrote: >> Mark, I'm only getting that for the "results" page. Are yo

Re: [CODE4LIB] ny times best seller api

2011-09-28 Thread Michael B. Klein
You can pull data from their API into a server-side process and then pass it along (filtered or raw) to your browser. But browser security won't let you access JSON data from a different-origin server. It's not NYTimes.com's fault; it's the cross-site scripting jerks who made the security necessar

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Digital Library Repository Developer, Boston Public Library (Boston, MA)

2011-09-28 Thread Michael B. Klein
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Michael J. Giarlo < leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu> wrote: > > P.S. Perhaps those who take issue with Mr. Tennant's listserv > etiquette and ethics can take this up privately? > > WHY IS PENN STATE SO INTERESTED IN SUPPRESSING DISCUSSION OF THIS TOPIC??!?!!

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Digital Library Repository Developer, Boston Public Library (Boston, MA)

2011-09-28 Thread Michael B. Klein
Ya'aqov, Except in the case of job postings (in which the poster is obviously representing their employer's wish to hire someone), unless a post explicitly states that the poster IS speaking for their employer, I think the safest bet on this list is to assume that all opinions expressed represent

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Digital Library Repository Developer, Boston Public Library (Boston, MA)

2011-09-28 Thread Michael B. Klein
I hope not. It's a very short road from policy to (*shudder*) standards of quality and conduct. And then we're ALL screwed. On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Michael J. Giarlo < leftw...@alumni.rutgers.edu> wrote: > I don't think code4lib has anything resembling an official policy, > Brian, so I w

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Web Services Developer, Boston Public Library (Boston, MA)

2011-09-27 Thread Michael B. Klein
> the best webs of all time. > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 14:54, Michael B. Klein wrote: > > I'm curious why someone who works for a primarily Mellon-funded > > organization would be interested in influencing the direction the BPL > > takes with its staff-wide we

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Web Services Developer, Boston Public Library (Boston, MA)

2011-09-27 Thread Michael B. Klein
I'm curious why someone who works for a primarily Mellon-funded organization would be interested in influencing the direction the BPL takes with its staff-wide web development. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote: > So BPL is developing its own public and staff-side web porta

Re: [CODE4LIB] stats for the conference video?

2011-02-18 Thread Michael B. Klein
I'm pretty sure the 8 Constitution and 3 Dexterity represent a point around 3am Wednesday morning after the IU welcome reception and the craft brew drinkup. The 18 Wisdom, on the other hand, doesn't seem to represent any given point on Tuesday's beer continuum. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Si

[CODE4LIB] [announcement] equivalent-xml for Ruby/Nokogiri

2011-02-18 Thread Michael B. Klein
Hello all, and apologies for any crossposts. I thought this might be relevant to a number of development communities, and it may be that you're subscribed to more than one fo them. In the course of writing spec tests to compare actual serialized XML output to expected XML output, I became somewhat

Re: [CODE4LIB] irc back channel logs [hacks]

2011-02-15 Thread Michael B. Klein
And a word cloud: http://www.wordle.net/show/wrdl/3157008/code4lib_2011_IRC_logs On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > I have written a few hacks allowing me to do rudimentary text mining > against the logs. [1] From readme.txt: > > This directory contains a number of fi

Re: [CODE4LIB] Wednesday Afternoon Video?

2011-02-11 Thread Michael B. Klein
My mad emcee skillz must have overwhelmed the archive server. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Sean Hannan wrote: > So, it looks like the Wednesday Afternoon archive video cuts off at lunch. > Did the afternoon talks get recorded.? > > -Sean >

[CODE4LIB] Conference Travel and the Super Bowl

2011-01-23 Thread Michael B. Klein
Hi everybody, Due to a complete lack of convenient flights from the Bay Area to the Cold Area, it looks like I'm going to be making my connection in Chicago on Sunday about the same time the Packers and Steelers are kicking off in Dallas. I'm scheduled to get into Indianapolis around 7:15. Then I'

Re: [CODE4LIB] Which O'Reilly books should we give away at Code4Lib 2011?

2010-12-14 Thread Michael B. Klein
Does Pragmatic Bookshelf count as O'Reilly? O'Reilly is their sole US distributor, but someone else may be in charge of them, so I don't know. I'll post 'em anyway. The newly published RSpec Book would be a worthy title to include, though it's more Rails

Re: [CODE4LIB] Hotel reservations

2010-12-13 Thread Michael B. Klein
Ditto. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote: > I seem to be getting a "ROOM UNAVAILABLE" for just about every rate > listed for the Biddle Hotel using the online reservation system. > > Mark A. Matienzo > Digital Archivist, Manuscripts and Archives > Yale University Library >

[CODE4LIB] DOI Question

2010-05-27 Thread Michael B. Klein
Hi all, I've been investigating the possibility of assigning DOI names to various resources. We have three different use cases, and given the structure of the DOI Registration Agency system, I'm not sure what the best way is to proceed. The use cases: 1. We've had several inquiries from facul

Re: [CODE4LIB] It's cool to love milk and cookies

2010-05-02 Thread Michael B. Klein
I prefer hot chocolate. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Simon Spero wrote: > I like chocolate milk. >

Re: [CODE4LIB] Rails Hosting

2010-01-15 Thread Michael B. Klein
Yet another +1 for Heroku. I've had great experiences with it so far. On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Ross Singer wrote: > Have you looked at Heroku (http://heroku.com/)? I've only used their > freebie plan (so I have no idea how they compare pricewise), but it's > been fantastic to get Ruby a

[CODE4LIB] Another approach to shared conference transportation

2009-12-16 Thread Michael B. Klein
I've added a page to the code4lib wiki to help coordinate rides to/from Charlotte Douglas International Airport, Asheville Regional Airport, and other locations. If you need a ride, or have a car and are willing to share a ride, please sign up so we get everyone matched up! http://wiki.code4lib.or

Re: [CODE4LIB] preconference proposals

2009-11-11 Thread Michael B. Klein
Distributed search! On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote: > I'm interested presenting something Solr+library related at c4l10. I'm > soliciting ideas from the community on what angle makes the most sense. At > first I was thinking a regular conference talk proposal, but perhaps

Re: [CODE4LIB] Suggest a keynote speaker for Code4Lib 2010!

2009-07-23 Thread Michael B. Klein
I'd love to hear from programmer/math geek/xkcd creator/all-around genius Randall Munroe. His auth...@google talk was pretty entertaining, and he seems like the kind of guy who would put some effort into surprising and engaging the crowd he's talking to. But since I also like giving people options