Re: [CODE4LIB] Learning Microsoft SQL

[Wilfred Drew]

I have been working with relational databases for over 2 decades.  ;-)  
That is one reason I went with the book I bought.   I just have no experience 
with Microsoft SQL or any version of SQL.  The HTML Goodies stuff looks really 
good and I will look it over.  My first exposure to relational databases was 
James Wetherbe's book "Systems Analysis and Design: Traditional, Structured, 
and Advanceed Concepts and Techniques- 2nd Editon" in a systems analysis course 
at the library school at Drexel university in 1984.

Keep the suggestions coming, please.

Bill Drew

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of arianna
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 2:48 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Learning Microsoft SQL

Hi Bill,
For years I have always found the HTML Goodies people to be great for quick and 
accessible reference, and I think they are good for getting people started in 
"plain English" (they are probably very similar to the Dummies books).

http://www.htmlgoodies.com/primers/database/article.php/3478051

Best,
Arianna Schlegel
*Library Web Applications Developer
Central Connecticut State University

*
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Wilfred Drew  wrote:

> I am setting up my laptop to teach myself Microsoft SQL. I am 
> installing SQL Express. I purchased "Microsoft SQL Server 2008 
> All-in-one desk reference for Dummies." Any suggestions on other tools 
> to add to my laptop to learn SQL?  Preferably free.
>
> Bill Drew
> Web: BillTheLibrarian.com
> Voice/SMS/: 607-745-4461
> Email: bill.d...@gmail.com
> G+: gplus.to/BillDrew
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>
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[CODE4LIB] Learning Microsoft SQL

[Wilfred Drew]

I am setting up my laptop to teach myself Microsoft SQL. I am installing SQL 
Express. I purchased "Microsoft SQL Server 2008 All-in-one desk reference for 
Dummies." Any suggestions on other tools to add to my laptop to learn SQL?  
Preferably free.

Bill Drew
Web: BillTheLibrarian.com
Voice/SMS/: 607-745-4461
Email: bill.d...@gmail.com
G+: gplus.to/BillDrew
Twitter/Skype: BillDrew4

Web Design, Social Media,
New Tech, Assessment,
Change Management, Innovation, Mobile Tech, and more.


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Re: [CODE4LIB] NON-MARC ILS?

[Wilfred Drew]

I did not mean to sound snarky in my earlier message but I do not understand 
why no one is talking about standards and why we have them.  This includes 
standard ways to present and transmit data between systems.  That is oen of the 
big reasons for using MARC.
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From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bess Sadler 
[bess.sad...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:11 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] NON-MARC ILS?

Hi, Matt.

Welcome to code4lib. Good question! Here's a quick summary of my understanding 
of what I think you're asking:

Q1. Is there an ILS that is not based on MaRC records?

A1. No, not to my knowledge. Yes, marc cataloging can seem tedious and arcane, 
but we have lots of tools for working with it at this point. All commercial ILS 
vendors that I am aware of use it, and the open source ILS products I know of 
also use MaRC.

Q2. Is that what this Endeca based thing is about?

A2. Kind of, a little. For most libraries, physical (and to some extent 
digital) inventory of collections is maintained by their ILS. Usually this is a 
commercial vendor solution, maybe even one with a six figure contract attached 
to it, but open source ILS solutions are increasingly viable and widespread. 
Migrating away from an ILS is an enormous undertaking, one that overhauls every 
workflow process in the library. Many libraries are in the position of not 
wanting to migrate their ILS, but disliking the public-facing interface 
provided by the ILS vendor. For years these interfaces were difficult to change 
and many of us felt that it was leading to stagnation in the library innovation 
space, because we were competing for attention with Internet based services 
that could respond to user desires quickly. The standard solution has been, not 
to switch away from MaRC or the ILS, but to index those records into a separate 
discovery interface, one which the library has control ove!
 r. That's what Endeca is, but it is very expensive. People who have 
implemented it are contractually prevented from saying exactly how expensive 
but I've never signed an NDA and I've heard numbers in the millions. There are 
several free open source library discovery solutions (Blacklight, VuFind, 
Kobald Chieftan (sp?) that you could play around with if you wanted. But these 
are for solving discovery problems, not for simplifying your internal metadata 
standards.

I hope this helps. Welcome to the community and good luck to you.

Bess

On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:59 AM, Matt Amory wrote:

> Is there a full-featured ILS that is not based on MARC records?
> I know we love complexity, but it seems to me that my public library and
> its library network and maybe even every public library could probably do
> without 95% of MARC Fields and encoding, streamline workflows and save $ if
> there were a simpler standard.
> Is this what an Endeca-based system is about, or do those rare birds also
> use MARC in the background?
> Forgive me if the question has been hashed and rehashed over the years...
>
> --
> Matt Amory
> (917) 771-4157
> matt.am...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matt-amory/8/515/239

Re: [CODE4LIB] NON-MARC ILS?

[Wilfred Drew]

So you want a non-standard way to display and use what your library has?  What 
about future moves to another ILS?  What about getting your ILS to work with 
other systems or web services?  There are reasons for standards.  It is not to 
make our jobs harder.

Bill Drew

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Matt 
Amory
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:00 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] NON-MARC ILS?

Is there a full-featured ILS that is not based on MARC records?
I know we love complexity, but it seems to me that my public library and its 
library network and maybe even every public library could probably do without 
95% of MARC Fields and encoding, streamline workflows and save $ if there were 
a simpler standard.
Is this what an Endeca-based system is about, or do those rare birds also use 
MARC in the background?
Forgive me if the question has been hashed and rehashed over the years...

--
Matt Amory
(917) 771-4157
matt.am...@gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matt-amory/8/515/239

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Transact-SQL

[Wilfred Drew]

It is actually for a job I am interested in.  I have no SQL experience in depth 
at all. Just some using Access.

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jon 
Gorman
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 1:39 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Transact-SQL

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Wilfred Drew  wrote:
> I did mean Transact-SQL!!  Sorry.  I am after book recommendations.


Right, sorry, should have made myself clearer.  Do you have previous experience 
with creating database queries?  I can't say I have any real recommendations, 
but it might help others.  (And you might be able to get away with a more 
general book on sql and then look through the online documentation for specific 
problems).

Jon Gorman

Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Transact-SQL

[Wilfred Drew]

I did mean Transact-SQL!!  Sorry.  I am after book recommendations.  

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jon 
Gorman
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:02 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Microsoft Transit-SQL

> I am looking for a good text on Microsoft Transit-SQL.  I have 
> searched high and low and all I find are books focused on Microsoft SQL 
> Server.

Do you mean Transact-SQL (which I usually just see abbreviated T-SQL) ?  The 
online documentation at msdn isn't great, but it's not
horrible.   That's usually what I use.

I mean, usually it's just a matter of looking up how it implements SQL and some 
of the local variants.

(Do you need recommendations for books on SQL?)

Jon Gorman

[CODE4LIB] Microsoft Transit-SQL

[Wilfred Drew]

I am looking for a good text on Microsoft Transit-SQL.  I have searched high 
and low and all I find are books focused on Microsoft SQL Server.  I am not 
setting up a server, I need to teach myself the database structure and 
language.  Any suggestions? I did order Microsoft SQL Server 2008 All-in-One 
Desk Reference For Dummies from Amazon because it has a large section on 
Transit-SQL.


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Assistant Professor
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Indoctrination link added to the Wiki main page

[Wilfred Drew]

When I saw the subject I immediately thought of the Borg: You will be 
assimilated.
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Assistant Professor
Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
Tompkins Cortland Community College  (TC3) Library: http://www.tc3.edu/library/
Dryden, N.Y. 13053-0139
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From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bohyun Kim 
[k...@fiu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:55 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Indoctrination link added to the Wiki main page

Since the Code4Lib wiki is live again, I put the link to "Code4Lib 
Indoctrination"
 Google Doc on the main page.

Feel free to move to a different page if the main page is not the right place.
http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/Main_Page#About_Code4Lib

If you haven't checked out the Google Doc, it's worth looking at.

~Bohyun

Re: [CODE4LIB] My crazed idea about dealing with registration limitations

[Wilfred Drew]

Here is another crazy idea; stream the event live for those who can't get 
registered for the pace to face version and provide a lower registration fee 
for them.  


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Assistant Professor
Librarian, Systems and Tech Services/Electronic Resources/Serials
Tompkins Cortland Community College  (TC3) Library:
http://www.tc3.edu/library/ 
Dryden, N.Y. 13053-0139
Follow the library: http://twitter.com/TC3Library
E-mail: dr...@tc3.edu
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Islandora Announces 11.3.0 Release

[Wilfred Drew]

I was wondering what Islandora is. Here is the description form the about page:

Islandora is an open source framework developed by the University of Prince 
Edward Island's Robertson Library. Islandora uniquely combines the Drupal and 
Fedora open software applications to create a robust digital asset management 
system that can be fitted to meet the short and long term collaborative 
requirements of digital data stewardship.

Bill Drew

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of David 
Wilcox
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:53 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Islandora Announces 11.3.0 Release

* Apologies for cross-posting*

We are pleased to announce the release of Islandora 11.3.0!

You can download all available modules from http://islandora.ca/download, or 
test drive the release at http://sandbox.islandora.ca.

A guide to this release is available here:
http://islandora.ca/11-3-guide. The guide introduces changes and new features 
in this version, including improvements to the batch ingest and book solution 
pack modules, as well as a host of bug fixes.

The documentation is undergoing updates to match this version of Islandora, and 
is available here:
https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/ISLANDORA.

Please report any issues to the google developer or users lists, or at our 
JIRA: https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/ISLANDORA.

Please read the documentation carefully before updating as this version may 
cause issues with previously installed versions of Islandora - particularly 
versions released prior to Islandora 11.2.
All modules should be updated simultaneously to keep everything in sync. If you 
encounter an undocumented issue, please let us know so that we can help build 
and document a complete upgrade path.

Re: [CODE4LIB] conference voting and registration

[Wilfred Drew]

If there is this much interest why not pick bigger venues?  I have 
beenfollowing this conversation for weeks and wondered why that hadn't already 
happened.
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Wilfred (Bill) Drew, M.S., B.S., A.S.
Assistant Professor
Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
Tompkins Cortland Community College  (TC3) Library: http://www.tc3.edu/library/
Dryden, N.Y. 13053-0139
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From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Kyle Banerjee 
[baner...@uoregon.edu]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:48 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] conference voting and registration

Elizabeth is out, so I'll have to substitute for a straight from the
horse's mouth answer for now.

Everyone who's in has been informed, so if you haven't heard that you're in
by now, no news is unfortunately bad news.

One topic that would probably be worth discussing for future conferences
would be the registration process as the current one only worked for people
who knew to expect a mad rush and were available during a very specific
window. Seems like a lottery or some other mechanism may have done a better
job of being fair and making the event accessible to a diverse group.

kyle


On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Akerman, Laura  wrote:

> As someone who's never been to Code4Lib, really wants to go, tried on
> "Black Wednesday" but unfortunately had meetings all morning that prevented
> her from getting to it until it was too late--
>
> When do wait list people usually find out they're in, if they get in?
>
> Plane reservations get more expensive as time goes on, and much as I love
> cross-country driving, February's not the best time for it.   Wondering if
> I should gamble now...
>
> Laura
>
> Laura Akerman
> Technology and Metadata Librarian
> Room 128, Robert W. Woodruff Library
> Emory University, Atlanta, Ga. 30322
> (404) 727-6888
> lib...@emory.edu
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cary Gordon [mailto:listu...@chillco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: conference voting and registration
>
> While I understand your frustration, I have come around to accepting the
> system we have. Many of the folks who attend every year hold the conference
> as one of their key annual events, and plan to register the instant that
> tickets become available. I know that it sells out fast, but the folks who
> are there on the dot pretty much always get in. The alternative, of course
> is to present, although that can be rolling the dice, or volunteer, which I
> did this year.
>
> If you are on the waiting list, bear in mind that plans frequently change,
> and waiting list requests often get filled.
>
> Cary
>
> --
> Cary Gordon
> The Cherry Hill Company
> http://chillco.com
>
> 
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Patents and open source projects

[Wilfred Drew]

Over 15 years ago I got a threatening letter because I created a guide called 
"Library Jargon" and offered it up via FTP, gopher and email. Some rinky-dink 
company claimed they had a trademark and copyright to it.  I wrote them back 
after doing a search via gopher on the tphrase in question and found over 200 
other documents with the same title.  I sent the search results to them and 
never heard from them again.

Bill Drew

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Roy 
Tennant
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:46 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Patents and open source projects

I once got a "cease and desist" letter from a legal firm defending someone's 
trademark for "metadata". I mean, seriously. Perhaps obviously, I ignored it. 
It's still in my files somewhere.
Roy



On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:31 AM, Eric Lease Morgan  wrote:

> Ironically, I had (or there was) some trouble with the term 
> "MyLibrary@NCState". Granted, the term was originally a variation of My 
> Netscape, My Yahoo, and My Deja News, but all sorts of things followed it, 
> like MyiLibrary, the Google Books My Library, and then there was a ALA thing. 
> I'm not necessarily saying MyLibrary was the leader here, but an example of 
> how trademarks (monikers) can be used, abused, and morphed. --Eric Morgan

Re: [CODE4LIB] Unwritten Rules, formerly Pandering for votes for code4lib sessions

[Wilfred Drew]

It is unwritten rules that lead people to feel excluded from a group.  How can 
the C4L group make other feel part of the group if the "important" rules are 
unwritten?  That is what makes the group appear elitist to outsiders or newbies.

Bill Drew
Sort of a newbie but maybe not

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bohyun 
Kim
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:24 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Unwritten Rules, formerly Pandering for votes for 
code4lib sessions

So this was what "pandering a vote" meant all along? And I guess you are 
supposed to know this to count as a c4l community member? Unwritten rules 
indeed... 

~Bohyun


-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Rochkind
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:48 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Unwritten Rules, formerly Pandering for votes for 
code4lib sessions

I'm still not even sure why people think the blog post violated any unwritten 
rules or expectations. I agree that people kind of unreasonably raked the 
author over the coals here.

I think _maybe_ under some interpretations it's borderline (some of those 
interpretations are those of the READERS of the blog and how they respond, 
which the author has limited control over), and DO think a splash page on 
voting with a few sentences on expectations for who votes, why, and how, would 
be a very good thing for us to have _in general_, so this is useful for 
bringing up that idea (nice idea rsinger).

But as a thought experiment, let's say I jrochkind had a proposal, and posted 
to my blog "Hey, if you're thinking about going to the conf, consider voting to 
help make the conf! If you're voting, please consider my proposal, here's why I 
think it's important."

Would you consider that inappropriate too? If not, please elucidate the 
differences, and we'll be that much closer to understanding/developing 
consensual community expectations here.

Right now, I think some things some of you all think are obvious are far from 
obvious to others, even others you assume it would be obvious to.

On 12/1/2011 3:33 PM, Munson, Doris wrote:
> As a relative newcomer to this list, I second the idea that any offenders be 
> contacted off list with an explanation of any unwritten rules they 
> unknowingly violate.  I suggest this becomes one of c4l's unwritten rules.
>
>
> Regards,
> Doris
>
> Doris Munson
> Systems/Reference Librarian
> Eastern Washington University
> dmun...@ewu.edu
> 509-359-6395
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf 
> Of Karen Coyle
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:56 AM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Pandering for votes for code4lib sessions
>
> Responding to the thread and not this specific email...
>
> This conversation has an unfortunate subtext of "us v. them." It is 
> the case that c4l is a small-ish group that has a particular 
> personality, and folks really care about that. And the c4l conference 
> (which I only attended once) has a great feel about it of folks 
> sharing ideas (and beer).
>
> The problem with that kind of chummy-ness is that it makes it hard for 
> newcomers or folks who aren't native c4l-ers to participate, either in 
> the conference or in the various ways that c4l-ers communicate. To 
> then take someone to task for "violating" an unwritten rule of that 
> culture really does not seem fair, and the unfortunate use of language 
> ("pandering"), not to mention the length of this thread, is likely to 
> discourage enthusiastic newcomers in the future. If c4l is open to new 
> participants and new ideas, some acceptance of differences in style 
> must be tolerated. Where there isn't a tolerance, any rules must be 
> made clear. "Be just like us" isn't such a rule.
>
> I personally feel that the reaction to the alleged offense is over the 
> top. If this has happened before, I don't recall this kind of 
> reaction. If c4l were a Marxist organization this is the point where 
> one could call for an intense round of self-study and auto-criticism.
> Something has gone wrong here, and it is just possible that it is c4l 
> that owes an apology. Not the other way around. I believe that Miss 
> Manners would have suggested that rather than a public drubbing the 
> "offender" could have been politely contacted off list with an 
> explanation of said unwritten rules.
>
> kc
>
> Quoting Dan Scott:
>
>> Ross:
>>
>> +1 to the disclaimer splash page. That seems to be the best way to
>> maintain our faith in humanity to do the right thing.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Pandering for votes for code4lib sessions (humor)

[Wilfred Drew]

;-)

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Doran, 
Michael D
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 4:40 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Pandering for votes for code4lib sessions (humor)

> I feel this whole situation has tainted things somewhat. :(

This incident appears to have been blown out of proportion.

So to lighten the mood a bit, I offer this doggerel inspired by the above 
comment and with apologies to Ed Cobb, et al.:

  Tainted Votes

  Sometimes I feel I've got to
  Run away I've got to
  Get away
  From the stain you cause with all this pandering
  The votes were cast
  Now my session's last
  We can make this right
  If the splash page is up by tonight

  Once I ran to you (I ran)
  Now I'll run from you
  The tainted votes have riven
  All the results diebold had scriven
  Take my jeers and that's not nearly all
  Oh...tainted votes
  Tainted votes

-- Michael

Re: [CODE4LIB] Unwritten Rules, formerly Pandering for votes for code4lib sessions

[Wilfred Drew]

If it is that important, it should be written down!

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris 
Cormack
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:36 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Unwritten Rules, formerly Pandering for votes for 
code4lib sessions

On 2 December 2011 09:33, Munson, Doris  wrote:
> As a relative newcomer to this list, I second the idea that any offenders be 
> contacted off list with an explanation of any unwritten rules they 
> unknowingly violate.  I suggest this becomes one of c4l's unwritten rules.
>
>
I totally just unwrote that down

Chris

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library News (à la ycombinator's hackernews)

[Wilfred Drew]

http://news.librarycloud.org/rss

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Rochkind
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:08 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library News (à la ycombinator's hackernews)

Any pro or con thoughts on adding the feed from Library News to Planet 
Code4lib?  It has a feed, I assume?

On 11/29/2011 1:03 PM, Brett Bonfield wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:02 AM, BRIAN TINGLE
>   wrote:
>> I'm not sure how many of y'all read hackernews (news.ycombinator.com, I'm 
>> addicted to it) but I just saw on there that there is a similar style site 
>> for Library News that somebody launched.
>>
>> http://news.librarycloud.org/news
> I'm addicted to Hacker News as well, and for a long time I've wanted
> something similar for librarians. I even worked with my colleagues at
> In the Library with the Lead Pipe to try to start such a community,
> using SlinkSet (since acquired by Posterous) as the backend. We had
> some activity for a while, but never really got it going and
> ultimately decided close the site rather than fight the spammers.
>
> So... what's it going to take for Library News to make it?
>
> Brett
>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library News (à la ycombinator's hackernews)

[Wilfred Drew]

http://www.librarycloud.org/about

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Brett 
Bonfield
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:03 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library News (à la ycombinator's hackernews)

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:02 AM, BRIAN TINGLE 
 wrote:
> I'm not sure how many of y'all read hackernews (news.ycombinator.com, I'm 
> addicted to it) but I just saw on there that there is a similar style site 
> for Library News that somebody launched.
>
> http://news.librarycloud.org/news

I'm addicted to Hacker News as well, and for a long time I've wanted something 
similar for librarians. I even worked with my colleagues at In the Library with 
the Lead Pipe to try to start such a community, using SlinkSet (since acquired 
by Posterous) as the backend. We had some activity for a while, but never 
really got it going and ultimately decided close the site rather than fight the 
spammers.

So... what's it going to take for Library News to make it?

Brett

Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Seal of Approval

[Wilfred Drew]

Which came first, the OCLC approval of the OCLC Seal of Approval or the OCLC 
Seal of Approval?

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of David 
Uspal
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:02 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Seal of Approval

Can the OCLC Seal of Approval be given the official OCLC Seal of Approval, or 
would that do bad things to the space-time continuum?

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Matt 
McCollow
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:56 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Seal of Approval

Hey now, even abominable bacon is bacon.

Matt McCollow
Web Developer
Mills Library, McMaster University

On 2011-11-18, at 11:44 AM, Doran, Michael D wrote:

> Roy,
> 
>> ...turkey bacon has not yet achieved that distinction.
> 
> And rightly so!  What an abomination.
> 
> And I really wanted to include "Neck Ferrets" in the inspection and approval 
> bureau, but there just wasn't room enough on the seal.
> 
> -- Michael
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Roy
>> Tennant
>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:38 AM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Seal of Approval
>> 
>> Y'all may be wondering how bacon could ever fail to receive my coveted
>> approval, but I have to say that turkey bacon has not yet achieved
>> that distinction. Just sayin'
>> Roy
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Doran, Michael D  wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> 
 Please put this on a t-shirt.
>>> 
>>> I am thinking about making stickers or temporary tattoos and bringing
>> them to Seattle... anybody else who wants to use the image is welcome
>> to.  I have released it under a Creative Commons License that allows for
>> commercial use and have made a higher resolution version available here:
>>> 
>>>http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/oclc/
>>> 
>>> While I have doubts that the image would be appropriate for the official
>> code4lib 2012 t-shirt, I do think it would be neat if a small version of
>> the Seal was *included* on the t-shirt.
>>> 
>>> As an aside, I wanted to mention that this image was created using
>> PowerPoint and SnagIt. "Photoshop? We don't need no stinkin'
>> Photoshop!"  If it looks vaguely familiar, it's probably because design
>> clues were taken from current and historical versions of the Good
>> Housekeeping seal of approval.
>>> 
>>> I don't often do graphic work, so I appreciate the positive comments.
>>> 
>>> -- Michael
>>> 
>>> # Michael Doran, Systems Librarian
>>> # University of Texas at Arlington
>>> # 817-272-5326 office
>>> # 817-688-1926 mobile
>>> # do...@uta.edu
>>> # http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/
>>> 
>>> 
 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Michael J. Giarlo
 Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:28 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Seal of Approval
 
 Please put this on a t-shirt.
 
 -Original message-
 From: "Doran, Michael D" 
 To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu
 Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 01:17:40 GMT+00:00
 Subject: [CODE4LIB] OCLC Seal of Approval
 
 Hi Roy,
 
 I took the liberty of designing an official OCLC seal-of-approval (see
 attachment) for code4lib mailing list position announcements and any
>> other
 purposes you see fit.
 
 -- Michael
 
 # Michael Doran, Systems Librarian
 # University of Texas at Arlington
 # 817-272-5326 office
 # 817-688-1926 mobile
 # do...@uta.edu
 # http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/
>>> 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Digital Library Repository Developer, Boston Public Library (Boston, MA)

[Wilfred Drew]

I did not see any intervention by anyone. I saw, for the most part, intelligent 
discussions and questions among professionals.

Bill Drew
http://BillTheLibrarian.com

Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)

-Original Message-
From: BRIAN TINGLE [brian.tingle.cdlib@gmail.com]
Received: Tuesday, 27 Sep 2011, 11:50pm
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Digital Library Repository Developer, 
Boston Public Library (Boston, MA)

I know I should not take the bait... but if anything we say on this list -- 
however stupid or pedantic -- is taken as representing our employers and not 
our personal opinions; then I'm not sure this is a list I can participate in.  
It is chilling to see veiled legal threats thrown around on this list.   I 
mostly lurk here anyways.  But if everything I say is going to be taken to be 
the official word of my employer, then basically I can't say anything at all as 
far as I understand, except maybe if I cut and paste from press releases / get 
everything I say vetted though a communications officer.

I read the announcement in a way more similar to the way Ya'aqov did than the 
way Roy did; but I don't see how Roy's comments were uncalled for.  As far as 
interfering with a recruitment (?) if anything this increased the visibility of 
this position.  I know I would not have bothered to read the position 
description (on a vacation day even) if I had not been curious to see why it 
had attracted so much attention.

Are there any ground rules or terms of use for this list...  All I can find is 
this:

https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0312&L=CODE4LIB&T=0&F=&S=&P=61

If it is official policy that we don't speak for ourselves, I'm out of here.


On Sep 27, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso wrote:

> The posting's sentence  't*he successful candidate will develop and
> maintain' * does NOT say *'*developing its own digital repository system
> ... throwing anything else at it beyond this one developer' as Roy put it.
>
> In a community where any comma or space makes a world of a difference I pay
> attention to all words and their consequences.
>
> Roy, the wording of your question and intervention in BPL's search (as
> someone representing OCLC and its monopoly) were uncalled for. Yes, let's
> move on, Ya'aqov
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Roy Tennant  wrote:
>
>> Phew! That's a relief! I saw the word "develop" instead of
>> "implement". Thanks for the clarification,
>> Roi
>>
>> 2011/9/27 Colford, Scot :
>>> Not developing from scratch, mind you.
>>>
>>> This position will be working closely with the other position posted for
>>> Web Services Developer, the rest of the Web Services and Digital Projects
>>> teams already at the BPL, and the staffs of other Massachusetts libraries
>>> participating the Digital Commonwealth project.
>>>
>>> Don't you worry about us, Roy. ;-)
>>>
>>> \-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/
>>>
>>> Scot Colford
>>> Web Services Manager
>>> Boston Public Library
>>>
>>> scolf...@bpl.org
>>> Phone 617.859.2399
>>> Mobile 617.592.8669
>>> Fax 617.536.7558
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/27/11 11:58 AM, "Roy Tennant"  wrote:
>>>
 So BPL is developing its own digital repository system? Mind if I ask
 why? And are you throwing anything else at it beyond this one
 developer?
 Roy

 On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Colford, Scot  wrote:
> The Boston Public Library is accepting applications for the Digital
> Library Repository Developer position. The successful candidate will
> develop and maintain the core technical infrastructure for a digital
> object repository and library system that will be used by Massachusetts
> libraries, archives, historical societies, and museums to store and
> deliver digital resources to users across the State and beyond.
> Competitive benefits. Salary:  $62,053 - 83,770, DOQ.
>
>
> MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS:
>
>
> EDUCATION
>
> Bachelor¹s Degree in Computer Science from an accredited college or
> university with a focus on programming, applications development, and
> scripting languages. Preferred degree or coursework in
> Library/Information
> Science.
>
>
> EXPERIENCE
>
> · A minimum of 4 years experience of significant development
>> experience
> in an object oriented environment such as Ruby, Python, or Java.
>
> ·Strong working knowledge of XML/XSLT.
>
> ·   Demonstrated familiarity with image, audio, video, and text
> file
> formats - especially as they relate to digital library standards,
> encoding/decoding/transcoding, and related metadata schemas.
>
> ·   Demonstrated familiarity with semantic web/RDF components such
> as SPARQL, FOAF, and OWL.
>
> ·   Demonstrated familiarity and comfort working with various
> operatin

Re: [CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Digital Library Repository Developer, Boston Public Library (Boston, MA)

[Wilfred Drew]

Where did Roy intervene in any job search?  He is always professional and above 
board.  Of course, I am a user of OCLC services.  That is my bit of disclosure. 
 I have alos reviewed several of Roy's publications over the years if you want 
more disclosure.  ;-)

-
Wilfred (Bill) Drew, M.S., B.S., A.S.
Assistant Professor
Librarian, Systems and Tech Services
Tompkins Cortland Community College  (TC3) Library: http://www.tc3.edu/library/
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From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ya'aqov Ziso 
[yaaq...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:18 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Digital Library Repository Developer, 
Boston Public Library (Boston, MA)

*I think it's a fair question and appropriate for this list.  (Says another
OCLC employee.) *
*===*
*
*
Hi Ralph, you must have more arguments, I'm sure, beyond being an OCLC
employee for Roy's intervening in another institution's search. Please bring
them on, thanks, *Ya'aqov*

p.s. Can a candidate use CODE4LIB's discussion as a backup for her
candidacy? and if Roy worries for BPL, why doesn't he worry (in writing for
this list) for other institutions?

Re: [CODE4LIB] Apps to reduce large file on the fly when it's requested

[Wilfred Drew]

No one has mentioned accessibility issues for those using screenreaders.  JPEG 
would not work for them.

Bill Drew

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Cowles, 
Esme
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:45 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Apps to reduce large file on the fly when it's requested

I've thought about using JPEG page images instead of PDFs to serve our scanned 
newspapers, which also have sizes ranging upwards of 100MB+, with a link to 
download the PDF as a fallback for people who really want that.  The downside 
is having to do the bulk conversion, manage the extra files, etc.

Another option would be a flash frontend.  Someone already mentioned Google, 
and I've also seen some use of issuu.com (our campus newspaper currently uses 
them).  There are also options you could integrate into your own site, such as 
FlexPaper (http://flexpaper.devaldi.com/).  You still have to upload and/or 
convert your files, but you retain a PDF-like display in the browser.

-Esme
--
Esme Cowles 

"A person, who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person.
 (This is very important. Pay attention. It never fails.) " -- Dave Barry

On 08/3/2011, at 7:36 PM, Ranti Junus wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> My colleague came with this query and I hope some of you could give us some
> ideas or suggestion:
> 
> Our Digital Multimedia Center (DMC) scanning project can produce very large
> PDF files. They will have PDFs that are about 25Mb and some may move into
> the 100Mb range. If we provide a link to a PDF of that large, a user may not
> want to try to download it even though she really needs to see the
> information. In the past, DMC has created a lower quality, smaller versions
> to the original file to reduce the size. Some thoughts have been tossed
> around to reduce the duplication or the work (e.g. no more creating the
> lower quality PDF manually.)
> 
> They are wondering if there is an application that we could point to the end
> user, who might need it due to poor internet access, that if used will
> simplify the very large file transfer for the end user. Basically:
> - a client software that tells the server to manipulate and reduce the file
> on the fly
> - a server app that would to the actual manipulation of the file and then
> deliver it to the end user.
> 
> Personally, I'm not really sure about the client software part. It makes
> more sense to me (from the user's perspective) that we provide a "download
> the smaller size of this large file" link that would trigger the server-side
> apps to manipulate the big file. However, we're all ears for any suggestions
> you might have.
> 
> 
> thanks,
> ranti.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bulk mail.  Postage paid.

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib New York one-day minicon, Mon Sept 26

[Wilfred Drew]

Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Yitzchak Schaffer
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:10 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib New York one-day minicon, Mon Sept 26

On 2011-07-07 13:44, Wilfred Drew wrote:
> New York City? Please be more specific than just New York. There is a lot of 
> New York State north and west of Manhattan.
>

We expect the event to take place at
METRO Training Center
57 E 11th Street
New York NY

-- 
Yitzchak Schaffer
Systems Manager
Touro College Libraries
212.742.8770 ext. 2432
http://www.tourolib.org/

Access Problems? Contact systems.libr...@touro.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib New York one-day minicon, Mon Sept 26

[Wilfred Drew]

New York City? Please be more specific than just New York. There is a lot of 
New York State north and west of Manhattan.

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Yitzchak Schaffer
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:40 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] code4lib New York one-day minicon, Mon Sept 26

Hello everybody,

Plans are underway for a one-day code4lib [1] mini-conference in New 
York, in conjunction with METRO [2], which has graciously hosted our 
local "chapter" for several years as a SIG.

After ruling out large swaths of time this fall for various reasons, we 
arrived at Monday, Sept. 26 as the potential date.

Kevin Reiss [kevin.re...@gmail.com], Joanna DiPasquale and I are 
co-conveners of the local group. We would like to confirm that the date 
is not evil before concretizing it, so: if you know of some conflict 
that would prevent people attending, please let one of us know.

More information should be forthcoming.

[1] http://code4lib.org/
[2] http://metro.org/

Many thanks,

-- 
Yitzchak Schaffer
Systems Manager
Touro College Libraries
212.742.8770 ext. 2432
http://www.tourolib.org/

Re: [CODE4LIB] exposing website visitor IP addresses to webcrawlers

[Wilfred Drew]

Why? What possible value would there be in doing this? Just curious.

Bill Drew

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter 
Murray
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 10:42 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] exposing website visitor IP addresses to webcrawlers

Interesting question.  I don't see the harm in doing so.  It isn't the raw 
access logs, so one can't see what was accessed.  It isn't useful as an attack 
vector because there is a mixture of servers/crawlers and desktop IPs there; 
one might just as well attack the entire address space.


Peter

On May 20, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Keith Jenkins wrote:
> 
> Just out of curiosity, does anyone on this list have any opinions
> about whether website owners should publicly post lists of their
> visitors' IP addresses (or hostnames) and to also allow such lists to
> be indexable by search engines?
> 
> For example:
>https://www3.ietf.org/usagedata/site_201104.html
> 
> Keith


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