Re: [CODE4LIB] A right way for recording a place name?
1 and 2 probably represent two different geographic levels with the same name. There is a township (county subdivision) called Springfield, which also contains a city called Springfield. If you are planning to generate LCSH placenames, one thing to note is that LCSH typically uses old-style state abbreviations (Mass., Pa.) instead of the more common postal abbreviations (MA, PA). I thought there might be some way to use id.loc.gov but for some reason none of your example LCSHeadings show up in a search for springfield -- maybe place headings are not comprehensively included in id.loc.gov? Keith On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've just about completed a new XForms-based interface for querying geonames.org to populate the geogname element in EAD. An XML representation of a geographical place returned by the geonames APIs includes its name, e.g., Springfield, country name, and several levels administrative names (Sangamon County, Illinois). Is there some sort of official way of textually representing a place? In LCSH, one finds: 1 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa.) 2 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa. : Township) 3 Springfield (Burlington County, N.J.) Why 1 and 2 are distinct terms in LCSH, I don't know. The mode for dealing with American place names seems to be [name of place] ([administrative name - lower level], [administrative name - upper level]). For a European city, we find Berlin (Germany) Are these examples in LCSH the most common way to textually record places, or are there other examples I should look at? Thanks, Ethan
Re: [CODE4LIB] A right way for recording a place name?
I think I may have been using an old search interface, not id.loc.gov. http://authorities.loc.gov/ On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Keith Jenkins k...@cornell.edu wrote: 1 and 2 probably represent two different geographic levels with the same name. There is a township (county subdivision) called Springfield, which also contains a city called Springfield. If you are planning to generate LCSH placenames, one thing to note is that LCSH typically uses old-style state abbreviations (Mass., Pa.) instead of the more common postal abbreviations (MA, PA). I thought there might be some way to use id.loc.gov but for some reason none of your example LCSHeadings show up in a search for springfield -- maybe place headings are not comprehensively included in id.loc.gov? Keith On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've just about completed a new XForms-based interface for querying geonames.org to populate the geogname element in EAD. An XML representation of a geographical place returned by the geonames APIs includes its name, e.g., Springfield, country name, and several levels administrative names (Sangamon County, Illinois). Is there some sort of official way of textually representing a place? In LCSH, one finds: 1 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa.) 2 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa. : Township) 3 Springfield (Burlington County, N.J.) Why 1 and 2 are distinct terms in LCSH, I don't know. The mode for dealing with American place names seems to be [name of place] ([administrative name - lower level], [administrative name - upper level]). For a European city, we find Berlin (Germany) Are these examples in LCSH the most common way to textually record places, or are there other examples I should look at? Thanks, Ethan
Re: [CODE4LIB] A right way for recording a place name?
Hi Ethan. I think I may be able to help answer part of your question. There's a Library of Congress Rule Interpretation to AACR2 23.2 (LCRI 23.2 Modification of the Name section 5) which states For U.S. townships (called towns in some states) that encompass one or more local communities and the surrounding territory, ... add the term after the name of the state. And gives the following example: 151 ## $a Kintire (Minn. : Township) So I guess there's a difference between Springfield, PA the town and Springfield, PA the Township, namely, that the latter includes more than just the town of Springfield. Daniel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ethan Gruber Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:02 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] A right way for recording a place name? Hi all, I've just about completed a new XForms-based interface for querying geonames.org to populate the geogname element in EAD. An XML representation of a geographical place returned by the geonames APIs includes its name, e.g., Springfield, country name, and several levels administrative names (Sangamon County, Illinois). Is there some sort of official way of textually representing a place? In LCSH, one finds: 1 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa.) 2 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa. : Township) 3 Springfield (Burlington County, N.J.) Why 1 and 2 are distinct terms in LCSH, I don't know. The mode for dealing with American place names seems to be [name of place] ([administrative name - lower level], [administrative name - upper level]). For a European city, we find Berlin (Germany) Are these examples in LCSH the most common way to textually record places, or are there other examples I should look at? Thanks, Ethan
Re: [CODE4LIB] A right way for recording a place name?
Thanks for the info. Geonames has both Springfield and Springfield Township as places in Bucks County. I may have to break with the formatting rule on these presumably rare occasions since a user can select Springfield Township as a place name. Ethan On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Lovins, Daniel daniel.lov...@yale.eduwrote: Hi Ethan. I think I may be able to help answer part of your question. There's a Library of Congress Rule Interpretation to AACR2 23.2 (LCRI 23.2 Modification of the Name section 5) which states For U.S. townships (called towns in some states) that encompass one or more local communities and the surrounding territory, ... add the term after the name of the state. And gives the following example: 151 ## $a Kintire (Minn. : Township) So I guess there's a difference between Springfield, PA the town and Springfield, PA the Township, namely, that the latter includes more than just the town of Springfield. Daniel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ethan Gruber Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:02 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] A right way for recording a place name? Hi all, I've just about completed a new XForms-based interface for querying geonames.org to populate the geogname element in EAD. An XML representation of a geographical place returned by the geonames APIs includes its name, e.g., Springfield, country name, and several levels administrative names (Sangamon County, Illinois). Is there some sort of official way of textually representing a place? In LCSH, one finds: 1 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa.) 2 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa. : Township) 3 Springfield (Burlington County, N.J.) Why 1 and 2 are distinct terms in LCSH, I don't know. The mode for dealing with American place names seems to be [name of place] ([administrative name - lower level], [administrative name - upper level]). For a European city, we find Berlin (Germany) Are these examples in LCSH the most common way to textually record places, or are there other examples I should look at? Thanks, Ethan
Re: [CODE4LIB] A right way for recording a place name?
Quoting Keith Jenkins k...@cornell.edu: I thought there might be some way to use id.loc.gov but for some reason none of your example LCSHeadings show up in a search for springfield -- maybe place headings are not comprehensively included in id.loc.gov? id.loc.gov right now only has subject-only headings. Geographic names are in the names authority file, along with persons and corporate bodies. authorities.loc.gov has them all. VIAF.org has the geographic names along with the personal and corporate, although oddly you can limit your search in VIAF to personal or corporate but not to geographic. At one point LC announced that they would be adding the names authorities to id.loc.gov, but then reversed that and said that VIAF is / will be the source for LC names. I'm not sure it makes sense to separate the two authority files since most names can also be subjects. Perhaps LC hasn't really decided what to do. kc Keith On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've just about completed a new XForms-based interface for querying geonames.org to populate the geogname element in EAD. An XML representation of a geographical place returned by the geonames APIs includes its name, e.g., Springfield, country name, and several levels administrative names (Sangamon County, Illinois). Is there some sort of official way of textually representing a place? In LCSH, one finds: 1 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa.) 2 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa. : Township) 3 Springfield (Burlington County, N.J.) Why 1 and 2 are distinct terms in LCSH, I don't know. The mode for dealing with American place names seems to be [name of place] ([administrative name - lower level], [administrative name - upper level]). For a European city, we find Berlin (Germany) Are these examples in LCSH the most common way to textually record places, or are there other examples I should look at? Thanks, Ethan -- Karen Coyle kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
Re: [CODE4LIB] A right way for recording a place name?
Hi Ethan, Are these examples in LCSH the most common way to textually record places, or are there other examples I should look at? In the other examples I should look at category, you might want to take a gander at the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names (TGN): http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/tgn/ -- Michael # Michael Doran, Systems Librarian # University of Texas at Arlington # 817-272-5326 office # 817-688-1926 mobile # do...@uta.edu # http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/ -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ethan Gruber Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:02 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] A right way for recording a place name? Hi all, I've just about completed a new XForms-based interface for querying geonames.org to populate the geogname element in EAD. An XML representation of a geographical place returned by the geonames APIs includes its name, e.g., Springfield, country name, and several levels administrative names (Sangamon County, Illinois). Is there some sort of official way of textually representing a place? In LCSH, one finds: 1 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa.) 2 Springfield (Bucks County, Pa. : Township) 3 Springfield (Burlington County, N.J.) Why 1 and 2 are distinct terms in LCSH, I don't know. The mode for dealing with American place names seems to be [name of place] ([administrative name - lower level], [administrative name - upper level]). For a European city, we find Berlin (Germany) Are these examples in LCSH the most common way to textually record places, or are there other examples I should look at? Thanks, Ethan
