Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Cloutman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about xCal (iCalendar based XML format)? Does anyone use this > technology? It is possible to do it with Atom Feeds? Other ideas? I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned hCalendar -- essentially, an xHTML port of iCalendar's data format. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar I'd suggest iCal for widest-possible interop, and hCal for the 'markup that's both human and computer-readable' end of things. Cheers, -Nate
Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange
I thought iCalendar was a format? I believe that Google Calendar and Apple iCal can both import data in the iCalendar format. But I'm no expert in these things, maybe I'm confused. There is definitely some format that both Google Calendar and Apple iCal can import--given a URL, they will even import this information "live", updating as updates occur. Whatever this format is, I suggest you should use it. :) I thought it was iCalendar. But determining exactly what this format is will, as they say, be left as an exersize for the reader. Jonathan Cloutman, David wrote: Thanks. Again, we're not looking so much for an application, but a _format_ that we can publish from our existing CMS in such a way that we could reasonably expect other organizations to import into their systems. Because it is likely that some of our community partners will need to create the importing capability, I need the format to be well documented and easy to build software for. I would prefer something XML based because one can almost always write some XSLT to turn the data into something that can work with their system, regardless of target software or programming language. What about xCal (iCalendar based XML format)? Does anyone use this technology? It is possible to do it with Atom Feeds? Other ideas? --- David Cloutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Fereira Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:04 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange Miriam Goldberg wrote: I'd go with icalendar. It plays nicely with most major calendar applications. also, at the risk of sounding like a shill, I'm helping develop a web app (www.fusecal.com) that'll make it easier for web publishers to get their calendar information into users personal calendars and keep the information up to date as the calendar changes. I'd also take a look at Bedework (http://www.bedework.org) The problem that I have with Calendar systems is not technical but a social issue. We've got several calendar systems at our campus, but other than the Oracle Calendar system that is used to schedule meetings I don't use them. The problem is that, in the case of events, while the person responsible to announcing the event might put it into a calendar, they also try to advertise the event as far and wide as possible so they post a notice to all of the relevant mailing lists that they can think of. Since I'm on a lot of mailing lists, I might get 5-6 copies of an announcement of an event I have no desire in attending, then get reminders on those same list a few days prior to the event. Then there may be someone reading a mailing list, see the announcement and think that it should be forwarded to another mailing list they read (which I'm also on) so I get more copies of the event announcement in my email inbox. Unless it's mandated by an institution that events and other calendar related announcements should *only* go on the institutional calendaring system and not be distributed on mailing lists there really is no point in consuming calendar events from the calendaring system if I'm just going to get them pushed into my email inbox anyway. Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange
I doubt xCal is nearly as widely supported as iCal. Although not a 'standard', per se, Google Calendar's Atom extensions are also a possible option, given that anything that Google does has pretty broad support. http://code.google.com/apis/calendar/ -Ross. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Cloutman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks. Again, we're not looking so much for an application, but a > _format_ that we can publish from our existing CMS in such a way that we > could reasonably expect other organizations to import into their > systems. Because it is likely that some of our community partners will > need to create the importing capability, I need the format to be well > documented and easy to build software for. I would prefer something XML > based because one can almost always write some XSLT to turn the data > into something that can work with their system, regardless of target > software or programming language. > > What about xCal (iCalendar based XML format)? Does anyone use this > technology? It is possible to do it with Atom Feeds? Other ideas? > > > > --- > David Cloutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Electronic Services Librarian > Marin County Free Library > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > John Fereira > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:04 AM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange > > > Miriam Goldberg wrote: >> I'd go with icalendar. It plays nicely with most major calendar > applications. >> >> also, at the risk of sounding like a shill, I'm helping develop a web >> app (www.fusecal.com) that'll make it easier for web publishers to get >> their calendar information into users personal calendars and keep the >> information up to date as the calendar changes. > > I'd also take a look at Bedework (http://www.bedework.org) > > The problem that I have with Calendar systems is not technical but a > social issue. We've got several calendar systems at our campus, but > other than the Oracle Calendar system that is used to schedule meetings > I don't use them. > > The problem is that, in the case of events, while the person responsible > > to announcing the event might put it into a calendar, they also try to > advertise the event as far and wide as possible so they post a notice to > > all of the relevant mailing lists that they can think of. Since I'm on > a lot of mailing lists, I might get 5-6 copies of an announcement of an > event I have no desire in attending, then get reminders on those same > list a few days prior to the event. Then there may be someone reading a > > mailing list, see the announcement and think that it should be forwarded > > to another mailing list they read (which I'm also on) so I get more > copies of the event announcement in my email inbox. Unless it's > mandated by an institution that events and other calendar related > announcements should *only* go on the institutional calendaring system > and not be distributed on mailing lists there really is no point in > consuming calendar events from the calendaring system if I'm just going > to get them pushed into my email inbox anyway. > > Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange
Thanks. Again, we're not looking so much for an application, but a _format_ that we can publish from our existing CMS in such a way that we could reasonably expect other organizations to import into their systems. Because it is likely that some of our community partners will need to create the importing capability, I need the format to be well documented and easy to build software for. I would prefer something XML based because one can almost always write some XSLT to turn the data into something that can work with their system, regardless of target software or programming language. What about xCal (iCalendar based XML format)? Does anyone use this technology? It is possible to do it with Atom Feeds? Other ideas? --- David Cloutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Fereira Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:04 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange Miriam Goldberg wrote: > I'd go with icalendar. It plays nicely with most major calendar applications. > > also, at the risk of sounding like a shill, I'm helping develop a web > app (www.fusecal.com) that'll make it easier for web publishers to get > their calendar information into users personal calendars and keep the > information up to date as the calendar changes. I'd also take a look at Bedework (http://www.bedework.org) The problem that I have with Calendar systems is not technical but a social issue. We've got several calendar systems at our campus, but other than the Oracle Calendar system that is used to schedule meetings I don't use them. The problem is that, in the case of events, while the person responsible to announcing the event might put it into a calendar, they also try to advertise the event as far and wide as possible so they post a notice to all of the relevant mailing lists that they can think of. Since I'm on a lot of mailing lists, I might get 5-6 copies of an announcement of an event I have no desire in attending, then get reminders on those same list a few days prior to the event. Then there may be someone reading a mailing list, see the announcement and think that it should be forwarded to another mailing list they read (which I'm also on) so I get more copies of the event announcement in my email inbox. Unless it's mandated by an institution that events and other calendar related announcements should *only* go on the institutional calendaring system and not be distributed on mailing lists there really is no point in consuming calendar events from the calendaring system if I'm just going to get them pushed into my email inbox anyway. Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm
Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange
Miriam Goldberg wrote: I'd go with icalendar. It plays nicely with most major calendar applications. also, at the risk of sounding like a shill, I'm helping develop a web app (www.fusecal.com) that'll make it easier for web publishers to get their calendar information into users personal calendars and keep the information up to date as the calendar changes. I'd also take a look at Bedework (http://www.bedework.org) The problem that I have with Calendar systems is not technical but a social issue. We've got several calendar systems at our campus, but other than the Oracle Calendar system that is used to schedule meetings I don't use them. The problem is that, in the case of events, while the person responsible to announcing the event might put it into a calendar, they also try to advertise the event as far and wide as possible so they post a notice to all of the relevant mailing lists that they can think of. Since I'm on a lot of mailing lists, I might get 5-6 copies of an announcement of an event I have no desire in attending, then get reminders on those same list a few days prior to the event. Then there may be someone reading a mailing list, see the announcement and think that it should be forwarded to another mailing list they read (which I'm also on) so I get more copies of the event announcement in my email inbox. Unless it's mandated by an institution that events and other calendar related announcements should *only* go on the institutional calendaring system and not be distributed on mailing lists there really is no point in consuming calendar events from the calendaring system if I'm just going to get them pushed into my email inbox anyway.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange
I'd go with icalendar. It plays nicely with most major calendar applications. also, at the risk of sounding like a shill, I'm helping develop a web app (www.fusecal.com) that'll make it easier for web publishers to get their calendar information into users personal calendars and keep the information up to date as the calendar changes. to see how it works, check out http://www.as220.org/calendar.html and click on the green FuseCal button on the left. from there you can subscribe to events on that webpage and sync the subscription with your personal calendar app. On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CalDAV > > wally grotophorst wrote: >> >> calDev? >> >> -- wally >> >> Wally Grotophorst >> Associate University Librarian >> Digital Programs and Systems >> University Libraries >> George Mason University >> Fairfax, Virginia 22030 >> (703) 993-9005 >> >> >> Cloutman, David wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone have a recommend standard XML format for the exchange of >>> calendar information, preferably something with a W3C standard? We want >>> to be able to publish data from our content management system in a >>> format that other calendars in our community could scoop up. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> - David >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> David Cloutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Electronic Services Librarian >>> Marin County Free Library >>> Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm >>> >> > > -- > Jonathan Rochkind > Digital Services Software Engineer > The Sheridan Libraries > Johns Hopkins University > 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CalDAV wally grotophorst wrote: calDev? -- wally Wally Grotophorst Associate University Librarian Digital Programs and Systems University Libraries George Mason University Fairfax, Virginia 22030 (703) 993-9005 Cloutman, David wrote: Does anyone have a recommend standard XML format for the exchange of calendar information, preferably something with a W3C standard? We want to be able to publish data from our content management system in a format that other calendars in our community could scoop up. Thanks, - David --- David Cloutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange
calDev? -- wally Wally Grotophorst Associate University Librarian Digital Programs and Systems University Libraries George Mason University Fairfax, Virginia 22030 (703) 993-9005 Cloutman, David wrote: Does anyone have a recommend standard XML format for the exchange of calendar information, preferably something with a W3C standard? We want to be able to publish data from our content management system in a format that other calendars in our community could scoop up. Thanks, - David --- David Cloutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm
[CODE4LIB] Calendar Data Exchange
Does anyone have a recommend standard XML format for the exchange of calendar information, preferably something with a W3C standard? We want to be able to publish data from our content management system in a format that other calendars in our community could scoop up. Thanks, - David --- David Cloutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm
