hursday, November 10, 2011 11:49 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2012 Registration Cost?
+1 to the below...
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jason Stirnaman
wrote:
> I agree that conference-ish things are mostly not broken, and that
we
> should keep talki
] Code4Lib 2012 Registration Cost?
+1 to the below...
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jason Stirnaman wrote:
> I agree that conference-ish things are mostly not broken, and that we
> should keep talking about this in order to make them better. I also
> think Tim makes an important po
It's not the name that is the problem. Jason summarized my point clearly.
Why do we need to define workshops or hackfests as "pre-conference"?
> Why not just say "this is the conference: hackfests, workshops, talks,
> great people, and brew-tasting"? And maybe more people would participate
> or b
+1 to the below...
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jason Stirnaman wrote:
> I agree that conference-ish things are mostly not broken, and that we
> should keep talking about this in order to make them better. I also
> think Tim makes an important point here:
> >>then let's not separate the two
If it helps people budget, for reasons I don't understand, to call the
pre-conf something other than a pre-conf, that's potentially doable.
I do like that it's the beginning so people can skip the "pre-conf" if
that sort of activity (or the particular topics offered) are not useful
to them tho
I agree that conference-ish things are mostly not broken, and that we
should keep talking about this in order to make them better. I also
think Tim makes an important point here:
>>then let's not separate the two parts of C4L conf like a
traditional conference
Why do we need to define workshops
In the grand scheme of things, $150 for a conference is very low, and
$320 for a pre conference is low, as well. This doesn't make them
cheap or mean that everyone who would like to go, can go. I fully
understand that $25 is in inconsequential amount of money… Unless it
is your $25.
I think that t
Tim,
With all due respect, pre-conferences are optional. Some
pre-conferences have required,/will require registration to keep the
size manageable. If you can't justify the cost of sending your staff
to the preconferences, then don't.
Despite Gabe's link out to a past post, no one has pasted the
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
> For some reason people keep proposing significant changes to how we do the
> conference for reasons of getting more sponsorship money or using
> sponsorship money in certain ways--- why, when we apparently get enough as
> it is?
I'm not
On 11/10/2011 11:35 AM, Nate Vack wrote:
I think the idea is "if the preconference had a cost to attendees, its
sponsorship money could be used to defer the cost of the rest of the
conference for everyone."
Huh? You've completely lost me! What? Why? How? I have no idea what
you're talking abo
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
> But how does the pre-conf being free hurt you there?
I think the idea is "if the preconference had a cost to attendees, its
sponsorship money could be used to defer the cost of the rest of the
conference for everyone."
One of the trou
I don't understand what you're suggesting, Tim.
I understand that you (like many) need to look at budgets and expenses.
But how does the pre-conf being free hurt you there? If you can't
afford the extra hotel etc., then you may not be able to go to the
pre-conf, but what can the organizers do
>
> At $150 for registration, I agree with Kyle, that this is a very good price
> in comparison to most technical conferences. Perhaps you could consider the
> extra airfare and hotel room night as the price of the pre-conference.
The extra airfare and hotel, in this case, is $320 per person. Ha
> let people completely fend for themselves w/r/t to food/drink on the
> preconference day.
Coders consume from the "flat" food group. Anything that fits beneath a door…
..jason
On 11-11-09 3:12 PM, "Kevin S. Clarke"
mailto:kscla...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Kyle B
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote:
>> Yes, we have. We've even had people want to come to the preconference
>> (and pay the preconference charge) but not attend the regular
>> conference. :-)
>>
>
> They've wanted to do it, but have they actually been able to? What makes
> c4l
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Tom Keays wrote:
> Also, may I recommend that going forward, we document the registration
> amounts on the wiki, both conference and pre-conference, including what
> meals were included as part of the registration fee. After the conference,
> this information vanish
True, I just trusted my memory on the whole pre-conferences as free thing.
Correcting my memory, in 2011, we charged $15 per half-day conference and
in 2010 we charged $25 for an attend-all-you-want preconference. I am not
sure that these prices included the hackfest and the unconference. Cary, I
t
Also, may I recommend that going forward, we document the registration
amounts on the wiki, both conference and pre-conference, including what
meals were included as part of the registration fee. After the conference,
this information vanishes with the registration form. It would be of
benefit to c
> Yes, we have. We've even had people want to come to the preconference
> (and pay the preconference charge) but not attend the regular
> conference. :-)
>
They've wanted to do it, but have they actually been able to? What makes
c4l worthwhile is the ability to mix it up. If people attend with t
There is the conference, for which, we have been told, registration is $150.
There is the pre-conference, for which, we have been told, there will be no
additional charge.
In the past, we have charged for the pre-conference. No one has said what
this charge was, but I sort of remember it being $2
How about we call it a generously free preconference instead?
-Sean
On 11/9/11 4:29 PM, "Timothy McGeary" wrote:
> So based on these responses - can the costs of the pre-confs be separated
> out? Is there lunch provided? Is it only room rental?
>
> Either way, if it's going to be called a p
So based on these responses - can the costs of the pre-confs be separated
out? Is there lunch provided? Is it only room rental?
Either way, if it's going to be called a pre-conf, then the registration
fee for the conference should only be charged for costs of the actual
conference. Otherwise, d
Well, there was no charge to the attendees -- so it was free in that sense.
But I can see your point. I don't know what the financial arrangement was,
though I do remember some flip video cameras and gorilla tripods being raffled
off.
-Esme
--
Esme Cowles
"But it does me no injury for my ne
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Cowles, Esme wrote:
> The CURATEcamp hackfest last year was free (sponsored by DLF):
>
> http://curatecamp.org/node/21
>
> -Esme
Not really free if it was sponsored by DLF, no?
Edward
> --
> Esme Cowles
>
> "In Lydia's imagination, a visit to Brighton comprised
The CURATEcamp hackfest last year was free (sponsored by DLF):
http://curatecamp.org/node/21
-Esme
--
Esme Cowles
"In Lydia's imagination, a visit to Brighton comprised every possibility of
earthly happiness." -- Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
On 11/9/2011, at 3:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
> I don't think that we have charged for pre-conferences in previous
> years, have we?
Yes, we have. We've even had people want to come to the preconference
(and pay the preconference charge) but not attend the regular
conference. :-)
> I am
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
> I don't think that we have charged for pre-conferences in previous
> years, have we? I am pretty sure that we haven't charged for
> hackfests.
>
> I am not sure I understand your point which seems to be: Since there
> are travel costs associated
I don't think that we have charged for pre-conferences in previous
years, have we? I am pretty sure that we haven't charged for
hackfests.
I am not sure I understand your point which seems to be: Since there
are travel costs associated with going to the hackfest/precon, we
should charge a fee to m
Wait - Pre-Conferences are NOT extra?!?!? That seems like a departure from
previous years. I'm pretty uncomfortable with the registration cost
covering Pre-conferences if my staff does not attend the pre-conferences.
Given that airfare is over $100 cheaper to skip pre-conferences, it's
unlikely
Hah. I meant, no, pre-conference sessions will not be extra.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Anjanette Young wrote:
> Yes. Registration will be $150. I guess it is near registration time.
> I'll edit the page. No pre-conference sessions are not extra.
>
> --Anjanette
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at
Yes. Registration will be $150. I guess it is near registration time. I'll
edit the page. No pre-conference sessions are not extra.
--Anjanette
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Jason Stirnaman wrote:
> Second that. It was mentioned earlier on the list that cost would be $150.
> Are the pre-conf
Second that. It was mentioned earlier on the list that cost would be $150. Are
the pre-conference sessions extra?
Jason
Jason Stirnaman
Biomedical Librarian, Digital Projects
A.R. Dykes Library, University of Kansas Medical Center
jstirna...@kumc.edu
913-588-7319
>>> On 11/8/2011 at 10:46 AM
For having registration opening next week, I am surprised the registration
cost isn't listed on the C4L 2012 page:
http://code4lib.org/conference/2012/
I can't authorize my team members to register next week without first
submitted cost estimates for the trip, and I can't do that without a
registr
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