Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
Please release me, let me go For I can’t benefit from this anymore To waste our lifes would be a sin Release me and let me get to work again With apologies to Jim Reeves On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:55 PM, [Becky Yoose] b.yo...@gmail.com wrote: /me wonders if this particular branch of the conversation would benefit from reading the other branch where there is a action plan starting to formulate to create better documentation + doc/comm practices; however, she does not want to deny anyone the chance to continue this branch of the conversation. ... /me grabs popcorn as is customary in reading these type of branched conversations, while starting to plot out areas/categories for this weekend's doc dive. Thanks, Becky Sent from the ball and chain On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: Sure. Until I can turn my Raspberry Pi into a Robo-brarian 5000, technology alone is not going to be the answer. Choosing right tool for the job, however, can provide some relief to the day-job-holding masses. Does/should becoming involved in Code4LibCon be the modern equivalent of Myst? Cary On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Who is better to _provide_ a single authoritative answer about a conference then the conference organizers? Why would they be looking to get a single authoritative answer from someone else -- I'd assume everyone else would be looking to them! I do see how the decentralized nobody-in-charge but everybody-willing-to-complain nature of Code4Lib as a community (rather than an organization) poses some challenges. (It also provides some advantages, everything is a trade-off, although not all trade-offs are equal, and the best trade-off may change when the context changes). But, I'm not sure this is a technology/tooling problem. As we all have to remember at our day jobs too, don't look for technological product solutions to social/organizational problems. They aren't going to be successful, but you can spend a lot of resources learning that. Jonathan
Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
I'm running with it, then. I will not have the brain time slotted for such a template until later this week. Also, very related: (skip to the tl;dr section if you do not want to read the ramblings of a documentarian) There are a few spots on the wiki dedicated to conference planning documentation: - http://wiki.code4lib.org/How_To_Plan_A_Code4LibCon - http://wiki.code4lib.org/Conference_Financial_History_At_A_Glance - Various lessons learned pages One of the things I've been meaning to do is to look through at least the first page to see what can be added or changed to ensure that we only experience a minimal loss of tacit and explicit knowledge involved with planning the con each year while making it easier for future con planners to access and to use this information. It might be that this could turn into a major documentation project. HOWEVER, I need to take a closer look to see what can realistically be done. It might be templates, it might be timelines, it might be forms, it might be other things, or it might be all of the above. Again, I need to sit down and come up with a concrete proposal to bring back to y'all, complete with recommendations/action plans. ;c) I've already got one I'll help! from me thinking out loud on Twitter (thanks Coral!). Other folks are welcome to say I'll help! *off list*. Please. Check the to: field if you're just going to say that you'll help ;c) Save everyone else's inboxes! tl;dr - Becky is finally getting off her butt and running through the con planning documentation to see how we can help future con planners/volunteers run the best conference they can put on. Help appreciated with action plan/recommendations after initial survey (ping off list). Cheers, Becky /me wonders what am I getting myself into this time? as she hits the send button... On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.us wrote: Becky++ On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote: I can mock up a template page for future conferences to copy over for their conference landing pages, if that helps :cD Thanks, Becky On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote: So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps all we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference page on code4lib.org points to *everything* relating to that conference. That seems achievable to me. Roy
Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
/me wonders if this particular branch of the conversation would benefit from reading the other branch where there is a action plan starting to formulate to create better documentation + doc/comm practices; however, she does not want to deny anyone the chance to continue this branch of the conversation. ... /me grabs popcorn as is customary in reading these type of branched conversations, while starting to plot out areas/categories for this weekend's doc dive. Thanks, Becky Sent from the ball and chain On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: Sure. Until I can turn my Raspberry Pi into a Robo-brarian 5000, technology alone is not going to be the answer. Choosing right tool for the job, however, can provide some relief to the day-job-holding masses. Does/should becoming involved in Code4LibCon be the modern equivalent of Myst? Cary On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Who is better to _provide_ a single authoritative answer about a conference then the conference organizers? Why would they be looking to get a single authoritative answer from someone else -- I'd assume everyone else would be looking to them! I do see how the decentralized nobody-in-charge but everybody-willing-to-complain nature of Code4Lib as a community (rather than an organization) poses some challenges. (It also provides some advantages, everything is a trade-off, although not all trade-offs are equal, and the best trade-off may change when the context changes). But, I'm not sure this is a technology/tooling problem. As we all have to remember at our day jobs too, don't look for technological product solutions to social/organizational problems. They aren't going to be successful, but you can spend a lot of resources learning that. Jonathan
Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
The issue isn’t so much pointing to the places and figuring out what goes where. There does not seem to be one canonical location for each morsel of information, and I don’t know if more guidelines or rules are going to solve the problem. Becky is on point about the wiki being problematic, particularly when folks who are not experienced with it, or registered to use it want to sign up for a newcomer dinner the day before. Cary On Feb 17, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote: So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps all we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference page on code4lib.org http://code4lib.org/ points to *everything* relating to that conference. That seems achievable to me. Roy On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com mailto:listu...@chillco.com wrote: I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is hard for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it. I think that it is time to do something about it. On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote: Cary, I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to sign up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the Google Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry. Communications to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc). If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year, please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki for future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c) I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year. Thanks, Becky On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com javascript:; wrote: This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge / take the ball and run with it zeitgeist. We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this year we had: — The conference web pages on code4lib.org http://code4lib.org/ — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org http://wiki.code4lib.org/ — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs — Stuff on Eventbrite Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms: — No single place to find stuff — Conflicting information — Not clear editorial policy So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow? The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion for scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a Code4lib communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of our public-facing resources. Any takers. In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do something with pasta to confirm its authority. Any takers? Thanks, Cary On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu mailto:mhell...@luc.edu javascript:; wrote: I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the conference information page with information about streaming, as I don't think most people not attending the conference would think to look at the wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a note to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the YouTube channel. And thanks so much video team! Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;] On Behalf Of Sarah Weissman Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:; Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis
Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
Sure. Until I can turn my Raspberry Pi into a Robo-brarian 5000, technology alone is not going to be the answer. Choosing right tool for the job, however, can provide some relief to the day-job-holding masses. Does/should becoming involved in Code4LibCon be the modern equivalent of Myst? Cary On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Who is better to _provide_ a single authoritative answer about a conference then the conference organizers? Why would they be looking to get a single authoritative answer from someone else -- I'd assume everyone else would be looking to them! I do see how the decentralized nobody-in-charge but everybody-willing-to-complain nature of Code4Lib as a community (rather than an organization) poses some challenges. (It also provides some advantages, everything is a trade-off, although not all trade-offs are equal, and the best trade-off may change when the context changes). But, I'm not sure this is a technology/tooling problem. As we all have to remember at our day jobs too, don't look for technological product solutions to social/organizational problems. They aren't going to be successful, but you can spend a lot of resources learning that. Jonathan
[CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge / take the ball and run with it zeitgeist. We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this year we had: — The conference web pages on code4lib.org — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs — Stuff on Eventbrite Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms: — No single place to find stuff — Conflicting information — Not clear editorial policy So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow? The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion for scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a Code4lib communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of our public-facing resources. Any takers. In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do something with pasta to confirm its authority. Any takers? Thanks, Cary On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu wrote: I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the conference information page with information about streaming, as I don't think most people not attending the conference would think to look at the wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a note to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the YouTube channel. And thanks so much video team! Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Sarah Weissman Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com wrote: Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts. Could it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said there was 450 odd people who were there none of whom (the author included) thought to send a message on availability of video to this listserv. (I know for certain it was tweeted and re-tweeted) I see what you are saying. I realize that logistics are tricky. I would have probably missed a mailing list message if it had come last minute. And I wasn't checking Twitter in a timely manner for updates on a conference I wasn't attending and therefore wasn't all that aware of the exact timing of. (Perhaps this is a great time to bump that librarians list to a more visible position in my Twitter feed...) And I should say that I'm glad that there is video to watch at all and grateful to the volunteer videographers that made it happen.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
Cary, I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to sign up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the Google Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry. Communications to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc). If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year, please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki for future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c) I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year. Thanks, Becky On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge / take the ball and run with it zeitgeist. We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this year we had: — The conference web pages on code4lib.org — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs — Stuff on Eventbrite Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms: — No single place to find stuff — Conflicting information — Not clear editorial policy So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow? The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion for scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a Code4lib communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of our public-facing resources. Any takers. In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do something with pasta to confirm its authority. Any takers? Thanks, Cary On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu wrote: I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the conference information page with information about streaming, as I don't think most people not attending the conference would think to look at the wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a note to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the YouTube channel. And thanks so much video team! Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Sarah Weissman Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com wrote: Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts. Could it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said there was 450 odd people who were there none of whom (the author included) thought to send a message on availability of video to this listserv. (I know for certain it was tweeted and re-tweeted) I see what you are saying. I realize that logistics are tricky. I would have probably missed a mailing list message if it had come last minute. And I wasn't checking Twitter in a timely manner for updates on a conference I wasn't attending and therefore wasn't all that aware of the exact timing of. (Perhaps this is a great time to bump that librarians list to a more visible position in my Twitter feed...) And I should say that I'm glad that there is video to watch at all and grateful to the volunteer videographers that made it happen.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps all we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference page on code4lib.org points to *everything* relating to that conference. That seems achievable to me. Roy On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is hard for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it. I think that it is time to do something about it. On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote: Cary, I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to sign up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the Google Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry. Communications to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc). If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year, please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki for future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c) I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year. Thanks, Becky On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com javascript:; wrote: This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge / take the ball and run with it zeitgeist. We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this year we had: — The conference web pages on code4lib.org — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs — Stuff on Eventbrite Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms: — No single place to find stuff — Conflicting information — Not clear editorial policy So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow? The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion for scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a Code4lib communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of our public-facing resources. Any takers. In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do something with pasta to confirm its authority. Any takers? Thanks, Cary On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu javascript:; wrote: I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the conference information page with information about streaming, as I don't think most people not attending the conference would think to look at the wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a note to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the YouTube channel. And thanks so much video team! Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;] On Behalf Of Sarah Weissman Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:; Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com javascript:; wrote: Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts. Could it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said there was 450 odd people who were there none of whom (the author included) thought to send a message on availability of video to this listserv. (I know for certain it was tweeted and re-tweeted) I see what you are saying. I realize that logistics are tricky. I would have probably missed a mailing list message if it had come last minute. And I wasn't checking
Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
I can mock up a template page for future conferences to copy over for their conference landing pages, if that helps :cD Thanks, Becky On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote: So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps all we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference page on code4lib.org points to *everything* relating to that conference. That seems achievable to me. Roy On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is hard for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it. I think that it is time to do something about it. On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote: Cary, I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to sign up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the Google Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry. Communications to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc). If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year, please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki for future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c) I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year. Thanks, Becky On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com javascript:; wrote: This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge / take the ball and run with it zeitgeist. We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this year we had: — The conference web pages on code4lib.org — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs — Stuff on Eventbrite Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms: — No single place to find stuff — Conflicting information — Not clear editorial policy So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow? The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion for scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a Code4lib communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of our public-facing resources. Any takers. In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do something with pasta to confirm its authority. Any takers? Thanks, Cary On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu javascript:; wrote: I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the conference information page with information about streaming, as I don't think most people not attending the conference would think to look at the wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a note to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the YouTube channel. And thanks so much video team! Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;] On Behalf Of Sarah Weissman Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:; Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com javascript:; wrote: Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts. Could it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said there was 450 odd people who were there none
Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
Becky++ On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote: I can mock up a template page for future conferences to copy over for their conference landing pages, if that helps :cD Thanks, Becky On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote: So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps all we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference page on code4lib.org points to *everything* relating to that conference. That seems achievable to me. Roy On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is hard for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it. I think that it is time to do something about it. On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote: Cary, I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to sign up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the Google Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry. Communications to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc). If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year, please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki for future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c) I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year. Thanks, Becky On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com javascript:; wrote: This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge / take the ball and run with it zeitgeist. We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this year we had: — The conference web pages on code4lib.org — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs — Stuff on Eventbrite Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms: — No single place to find stuff — Conflicting information — Not clear editorial policy So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow? The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion for scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a Code4lib communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of our public-facing resources. Any takers. In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do something with pasta to confirm its authority. Any takers? Thanks, Cary On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu javascript:; wrote: I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the conference information page with information about streaming, as I don't think most people not attending the conference would think to look at the wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a note to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the YouTube channel. And thanks so much video team! Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;] On Behalf Of Sarah Weissman Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:; Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com javascript:; wrote: Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts. Could it have been posted once we
Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)
I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is hard for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it. I think that it is time to do something about it. On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote: Cary, I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to sign up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the Google Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry. Communications to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc). If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year, please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki for future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c) I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year. Thanks, Becky On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com javascript:; wrote: This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge / take the ball and run with it zeitgeist. We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this year we had: — The conference web pages on code4lib.org — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs — Stuff on Eventbrite Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms: — No single place to find stuff — Conflicting information — Not clear editorial policy So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow? The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer. Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion for scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a Code4lib communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of our public-facing resources. Any takers. In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do something with pasta to confirm its authority. Any takers? Thanks, Cary On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu javascript:; wrote: I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the conference information page with information about streaming, as I don't think most people not attending the conference would think to look at the wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a note to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the YouTube channel. And thanks so much video team! Margaret Heller Digital Services Librarian Loyola University Chicago 773-508-2686 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;] On Behalf Of Sarah Weissman Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:; Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com javascript:; wrote: Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts. Could it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said there was 450 odd people who were there none of whom (the author included) thought to send a message on availability of video to this listserv. (I know for certain it was tweeted and re-tweeted) I see what you are saying. I realize that logistics are tricky. I would have probably missed a mailing list message if it had come last minute. And I wasn't checking Twitter in a timely manner for updates on a conference I wasn't attending and therefore wasn't all that aware of the exact timing of. (Perhaps this is a great time to bump that librarians list to a more visible position in my Twitter feed...) And I should say that I'm glad that there is video to watch at all and grateful to the volunteer videographers that made it happen. -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com