Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Cary Gordon
Please release me, let me go
For I can’t benefit from this anymore
To waste our lifes would be a sin
Release me and let me get to work again

With apologies to Jim Reeves

 On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:55 PM, [Becky Yoose] b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 /me wonders if this particular branch of the conversation would benefit from 
 reading the other branch where there is a action plan starting to formulate 
 to create better documentation + doc/comm practices; however, she does not 
 want to deny anyone the chance to continue this branch of the conversation.
 
 ...
 
 /me grabs popcorn as is customary in reading these type of branched 
 conversations, while starting to plot out areas/categories for this weekend's 
 doc dive.
 
 Thanks,
 Becky
 
 Sent from the ball and chain
 
 On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:
 
 Sure. Until I can turn my Raspberry Pi into a Robo-brarian 5000, technology 
 alone is not going to be the answer. Choosing right tool for the job, 
 however, can provide some relief to the day-job-holding masses.
 
 Does/should becoming involved in Code4LibCon be the modern equivalent of 
 Myst?
 
 Cary
 
 On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:
 
 The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they 
 are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no 
 place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative 
 answer.
 
 Who is better to _provide_ a single authoritative answer about a conference 
 then the conference organizers? Why would they be looking to get a single 
 authoritative answer from someone else -- I'd assume everyone else would be 
 looking to them!
 
 I do see how the decentralized nobody-in-charge but 
 everybody-willing-to-complain nature of Code4Lib as a community (rather 
 than an organization) poses some challenges. (It also provides some 
 advantages, everything is a trade-off, although not all trade-offs are 
 equal, and the best trade-off may change when the context changes). 
 
 But, I'm not sure this is a technology/tooling problem. As we all have to 
 remember at our day jobs too, don't look for technological product 
 solutions to social/organizational problems. They aren't going to be 
 successful, but you can spend a lot of resources learning that. 
 
 Jonathan


Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Becky Yoose
I'm running with it, then. I will not have the brain time slotted for such
a template until later this week.

Also, very related: (skip to the tl;dr section if you do not want to read
the ramblings of a documentarian)

There are a few spots on the wiki dedicated to conference planning
documentation:

- http://wiki.code4lib.org/How_To_Plan_A_Code4LibCon
- http://wiki.code4lib.org/Conference_Financial_History_At_A_Glance
- Various lessons learned pages

One of the things I've been meaning to do is to look through at least the
first page to see what can be added or changed to ensure that we only
experience a minimal loss of tacit and explicit knowledge involved with
planning the con each year while making it easier for future con planners
to access and to use this information. It might be that this could turn
into a major documentation project. HOWEVER, I need to take a closer look
to see what can realistically be done. It might be templates, it might be
timelines, it might be forms, it might be other things, or it might be all
of the above. Again, I need to sit down and come up with a concrete
proposal to bring back to y'all, complete with recommendations/action
plans. ;c)

I've already got one I'll help! from me thinking out loud on Twitter
(thanks Coral!). Other folks are welcome to say I'll help! *off list*.
Please. Check the to: field if you're just going to say that you'll help
;c) Save everyone else's inboxes!

tl;dr - Becky is finally getting off her butt and running through the con
planning documentation to see how we can help future con
planners/volunteers run the best conference they can put on. Help
appreciated with action plan/recommendations after initial survey (ping off
list).

Cheers,
Becky


/me wonders what am I getting myself into this time? as she hits the send
button...


On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.us
wrote:

 Becky++

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
  I can mock up a template page for future conferences to copy over for
 their
  conference landing pages, if that helps :cD
 
  Thanks,
  Becky
 
  On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to
  all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps
 all
  we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference
 page on
  code4lib.org points to *everything* relating to that conference. That
  seems
  achievable to me.
  Roy
 



Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread [Becky Yoose]
/me wonders if this particular branch of the conversation would benefit from 
reading the other branch where there is a action plan starting to formulate to 
create better documentation + doc/comm practices; however, she does not want to 
deny anyone the chance to continue this branch of the conversation.

...

/me grabs popcorn as is customary in reading these type of branched 
conversations, while starting to plot out areas/categories for this weekend's 
doc dive.

Thanks,
Becky

Sent from the ball and chain

 On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:
 
 Sure. Until I can turn my Raspberry Pi into a Robo-brarian 5000, technology 
 alone is not going to be the answer. Choosing right tool for the job, 
 however, can provide some relief to the day-job-holding masses.
 
 Does/should becoming involved in Code4LibCon be the modern equivalent of Myst?
 
 Cary
 
 On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:
 
 The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they 
 are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no 
 place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative 
 answer.
 
 Who is better to _provide_ a single authoritative answer about a conference 
 then the conference organizers? Why would they be looking to get a single 
 authoritative answer from someone else -- I'd assume everyone else would be 
 looking to them!
 
 I do see how the decentralized nobody-in-charge but 
 everybody-willing-to-complain nature of Code4Lib as a community (rather than 
 an organization) poses some challenges. (It also provides some advantages, 
 everything is a trade-off, although not all trade-offs are equal, and the 
 best trade-off may change when the context changes). 
 
 But, I'm not sure this is a technology/tooling problem. As we all have to 
 remember at our day jobs too, don't look for technological product solutions 
 to social/organizational problems. They aren't going to be successful, but 
 you can spend a lot of resources learning that. 
 
 Jonathan


Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Cary Gordon
The issue isn’t so much pointing to the places and figuring out what goes 
where. There does not seem to be one canonical location for each morsel of 
information, and I don’t know if more guidelines or rules are going to solve 
the problem. Becky is on point about the wiki being problematic, particularly 
when folks who are not experienced with it, or registered to use it want to 
sign up for a newcomer dinner the day before.

Cary


 On Feb 17, 2015, at 1:37 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to
 all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps all
 we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference page on
 code4lib.org http://code4lib.org/ points to *everything* relating to that 
 conference. That seems
 achievable to me.
 Roy
 
 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com 
 mailto:listu...@chillco.com wrote:
 
 I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is hard
 for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it. I
 think that it is time to do something about it.
 
 On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Cary,
 
 I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years
 had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something
 different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to
 sign
 up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting
 wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the
 Google
 Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry.
 Communications
 to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one
 communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc).
 
 If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year,
 please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki
 for
 future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c)
 
 I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that
 Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year.
 
 Thanks,
 Becky
 
 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com
 javascript:; wrote:
 
 This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in
 charge
 /
 take the ball and run with it zeitgeist.
 
 We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the
 website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes
 responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like
 everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this
 year we had:
 
 — The conference web pages on code4lib.org http://code4lib.org/
 — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org 
 http://wiki.code4lib.org/
 — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs
 — Stuff on Eventbrite
 
 Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms:
 
 — No single place to find stuff
 — Conflicting information
 — Not clear editorial policy
 
 So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow?
 
 The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that
 they
 are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no
 place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent,
 authoritative
 answer.
 
 Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been
 loath
 to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion
 for
 scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a
 Code4lib
 communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure
 of
 our public-facing resources. Any takers.
 
 In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do
 something with pasta to confirm its authority.
 
 Any takers?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Cary
 
 On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu 
 mailto:mhell...@luc.edu
 javascript:; wrote:
 
 I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the
 conference information page with information about streaming, as I
 don't
 think most people not attending the conference would think to look at
 the
 wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a
 note
 to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've
 edited
 the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 
 http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to
 the
 YouTube channel.
 
 And thanks so much video team!
 
 Margaret Heller
 Digital Services Librarian
 Loyola University Chicago
 773-508-2686
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU 
 mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 javascript:;] On Behalf Of
 Sarah Weissman
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU 
 javascript:;
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks
 
 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Cary Gordon
Sure. Until I can turn my Raspberry Pi into a Robo-brarian 5000, technology 
alone is not going to be the answer. Choosing right tool for the job, however, 
can provide some relief to the day-job-holding masses.

Does/should becoming involved in Code4LibCon be the modern equivalent of Myst?

Cary
 
 On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:
 
 The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are 
 understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for 
 them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer.
 
 Who is better to _provide_ a single authoritative answer about a conference 
 then the conference organizers? Why would they be looking to get a single 
 authoritative answer from someone else -- I'd assume everyone else would be 
 looking to them!
 
 I do see how the decentralized nobody-in-charge but 
 everybody-willing-to-complain nature of Code4Lib as a community (rather than 
 an organization) poses some challenges. (It also provides some advantages, 
 everything is a trade-off, although not all trade-offs are equal, and the 
 best trade-off may change when the context changes). 
 
 But, I'm not sure this is a technology/tooling problem. As we all have to 
 remember at our day jobs too, don't look for technological product solutions 
 to social/organizational problems. They aren't going to be successful, but 
 you can spend a lot of resources learning that. 
 
 Jonathan


[CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Cary Gordon
This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge / take 
the ball and run with it zeitgeist.

We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the website 
and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes responsibility for 
organizing the content. From here,it looks like everything is a mix of 
tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this year we had:

— The conference web pages on code4lib.org
— The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org
— The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs
— Stuff on Eventbrite

Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms:

— No single place to find stuff
— Conflicting information
— Not clear editorial policy

So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow?

The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they are 
understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no place for 
them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative answer.

Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath to 
form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion for 
scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a Code4lib 
communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of our 
public-facing resources. Any takers.

In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do 
something with pasta to confirm its authority.

Any takers?

Thanks,

Cary

 On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu wrote:
 
 I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the conference 
 information page with information about streaming, as I don't think most 
 people not attending the conference would think to look at the wiki. Even if 
 everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a note to the future to 
 remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited the page at 
 http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the YouTube channel.
 
 And thanks so much video team!
 
 Margaret Heller
 Digital Services Librarian
 Loyola University Chicago
 773-508-2686
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Sarah 
 Weissman
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks
 
 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 
 Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts. Could 
 it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said there 
 was 450 odd people who were there none of whom (the author included) 
 thought to send a message on availability of video to this listserv. 
 (I know for certain it was tweeted and re-tweeted)
 
 
 
 I see what you are saying. I realize that logistics are tricky. I would have 
 probably missed a mailing list message if it had come last minute. And I 
 wasn't checking Twitter in a timely manner for updates on a conference I 
 wasn't attending and therefore wasn't all that aware of the exact timing of. 
 (Perhaps this is a great time to bump that librarians list to a more visible 
 position in my Twitter feed...)
 
 And I should say that I'm glad that there is video to watch at all and 
 grateful to the volunteer videographers that made it happen.


Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Becky Yoose
Cary,

I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years
had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something
different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to sign
up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting
wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the Google
Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry. Communications
to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one
communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc).

If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year,
please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki for
future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c)

I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that
Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year.

Thanks,
Becky

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:

 This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge /
 take the ball and run with it zeitgeist.

 We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the
 website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes
 responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like
 everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this
 year we had:

 — The conference web pages on code4lib.org
 — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org
 — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs
 — Stuff on Eventbrite

 Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms:

 — No single place to find stuff
 — Conflicting information
 — Not clear editorial policy

 So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow?

 The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they
 are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no
 place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative
 answer.

 Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath
 to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion for
 scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a Code4lib
 communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of
 our public-facing resources. Any takers.

 In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do
 something with pasta to confirm its authority.

 Any takers?

 Thanks,

 Cary

  On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu wrote:
 
  I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the
 conference information page with information about streaming, as I don't
 think most people not attending the conference would think to look at the
 wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a note
 to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited
 the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the
 YouTube channel.
 
  And thanks so much video team!
 
  Margaret Heller
  Digital Services Librarian
  Loyola University Chicago
  773-508-2686
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Sarah Weissman
  Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM
  To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks
 
  On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts. Could
  it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said there
  was 450 odd people who were there none of whom (the author included)
  thought to send a message on availability of video to this listserv.
  (I know for certain it was tweeted and re-tweeted)
 
 
 
  I see what you are saying. I realize that logistics are tricky. I would
 have probably missed a mailing list message if it had come last minute. And
 I wasn't checking Twitter in a timely manner for updates on a conference I
 wasn't attending and therefore wasn't all that aware of the exact timing
 of. (Perhaps this is a great time to bump that librarians list to a more
 visible position in my Twitter feed...)
 
  And I should say that I'm glad that there is video to watch at all and
 grateful to the volunteer videographers that made it happen.



Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Roy Tennant
So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to
all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps all
we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference page on
code4lib.org points to *everything* relating to that conference. That seems
achievable to me.
Roy

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:

 I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is hard
 for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it. I
 think that it is time to do something about it.

 On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:

  Cary,
 
  I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years
  had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something
  different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to
 sign
  up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting
  wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the
 Google
  Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry.
 Communications
  to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one
  communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc).
 
  If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year,
  please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki
 for
  future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c)
 
  I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that
  Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year.
 
  Thanks,
  Becky
 
  On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com
  javascript:; wrote:
 
   This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in
 charge
  /
   take the ball and run with it zeitgeist.
  
   We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the
   website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes
   responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like
   everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this
   year we had:
  
   — The conference web pages on code4lib.org
   — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org
   — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs
   — Stuff on Eventbrite
  
   Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms:
  
   — No single place to find stuff
   — Conflicting information
   — Not clear editorial policy
  
   So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow?
  
   The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that
 they
   are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no
   place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent,
 authoritative
   answer.
  
   Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been
 loath
   to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion
  for
   scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a
  Code4lib
   communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure
 of
   our public-facing resources. Any takers.
  
   In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do
   something with pasta to confirm its authority.
  
   Any takers?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Cary
  
On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu
  javascript:; wrote:
   
I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the
   conference information page with information about streaming, as I
 don't
   think most people not attending the conference would think to look at
 the
   wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a
  note
   to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've
 edited
   the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to
 the
   YouTube channel.
   
And thanks so much video team!
   
Margaret Heller
Digital Services Librarian
Loyola University Chicago
773-508-2686
   
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
  javascript:;] On Behalf Of
   Sarah Weissman
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks
   
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com
  javascript:;
   wrote:
   
   
Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts.
 Could
it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said there
was 450 odd people who were there none of whom (the author included)
thought to send a message on availability of video to this listserv.
(I know for certain it was tweeted and re-tweeted)
   
   
   
I see what you are saying. I realize that logistics are tricky. I
 would
   have probably missed a mailing list message if it had come last minute.
  And
   I wasn't checking 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Becky Yoose
I can mock up a template page for future conferences to copy over for their
conference landing pages, if that helps :cD

Thanks,
Becky

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote:

 So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to
 all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps all
 we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference page on
 code4lib.org points to *everything* relating to that conference. That
 seems
 achievable to me.
 Roy

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:

  I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is
 hard
  for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it.
 I
  think that it is time to do something about it.
 
  On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Cary,
  
   I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous
 years
   had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something
   different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to
  sign
   up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting
   wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the
  Google
   Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry.
  Communications
   to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count
 one
   communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc).
  
   If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year,
   please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki
  for
   future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c)
  
   I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that
   Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year.
  
   Thanks,
   Becky
  
   On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com
   javascript:; wrote:
  
This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in
  charge
   /
take the ball and run with it zeitgeist.
   
We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the
website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes
responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like
everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly,
 this
year we had:
   
— The conference web pages on code4lib.org
— The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org
— The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs
— Stuff on Eventbrite
   
Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms:
   
— No single place to find stuff
— Conflicting information
— Not clear editorial policy
   
So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow?
   
The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that
  they
are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is
 no
place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent,
  authoritative
answer.
   
Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been
  loath
to form standing committees, although we have done that after a
 fashion
   for
scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a
   Code4lib
communications task force —I love that name — to address the
 structure
  of
our public-facing resources. Any takers.
   
In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can
 do
something with pasta to confirm its authority.
   
Any takers?
   
Thanks,
   
Cary
   
 On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu
   javascript:; wrote:

 I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the
conference information page with information about streaming, as I
  don't
think most people not attending the conference would think to look at
  the
wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a
   note
to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've
  edited
the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to
  the
YouTube channel.

 And thanks so much video team!

 Margaret Heller
 Digital Services Librarian
 Loyola University Chicago
 773-508-2686

 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
   javascript:;] On Behalf Of
Sarah Weissman
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks

 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com
   javascript:;
wrote:


 Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts.
  Could
 it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said
 there
 was 450 odd people who were there none 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Edward M. Corrado
Becky++

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can mock up a template page for future conferences to copy over for their
 conference landing pages, if that helps :cD

 Thanks,
 Becky

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Roy Tennant roytenn...@gmail.com wrote:

 So wouldn't this be solved by having one authoritative place to point to
 all of the various pieces related to a particular conference? Perhaps all
 we need to do is to be better about making sure that the Conference page on
 code4lib.org points to *everything* relating to that conference. That
 seems
 achievable to me.
 Roy

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:

  I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is
 hard
  for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it.
 I
  think that it is time to do something about it.
 
  On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Cary,
  
   I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous
 years
   had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something
   different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to
  sign
   up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting
   wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the
  Google
   Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry.
  Communications
   to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count
 one
   communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc).
  
   If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year,
   please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki
  for
   future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c)
  
   I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that
   Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year.
  
   Thanks,
   Becky
  
   On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com
   javascript:; wrote:
  
This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in
  charge
   /
take the ball and run with it zeitgeist.
   
We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the
website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes
responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like
everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly,
 this
year we had:
   
— The conference web pages on code4lib.org
— The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org
— The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs
— Stuff on Eventbrite
   
Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms:
   
— No single place to find stuff
— Conflicting information
— Not clear editorial policy
   
So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow?
   
The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that
  they
are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is
 no
place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent,
  authoritative
answer.
   
Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been
  loath
to form standing committees, although we have done that after a
 fashion
   for
scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a
   Code4lib
communications task force —I love that name — to address the
 structure
  of
our public-facing resources. Any takers.
   
In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can
 do
something with pasta to confirm its authority.
   
Any takers?
   
Thanks,
   
Cary
   
 On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu
   javascript:; wrote:

 I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the
conference information page with information about streaming, as I
  don't
think most people not attending the conference would think to look at
  the
wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a
   note
to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've
  edited
the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to
  the
YouTube channel.

 And thanks so much video team!

 Margaret Heller
 Digital Services Librarian
 Loyola University Chicago
 773-508-2686

 -Original Message-
 From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
   javascript:;] On Behalf Of
Sarah Weissman
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM
 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;
 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks

 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com
   javascript:;
wrote:


 Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts.
  Could
 it have been posted once we 

Re: [CODE4LIB] Communications — conference and otherwise (was: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks)

2015-02-17 Thread Cary Gordon
I have no issue with Google Docs or Eventbrite. My point is that it is hard
for me to find stuff when it is in so many systems, and I am used to it. I
think that it is time to do something about it.

On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cary,

 I can speak to the signup for the Newcomer Dinner signup - previous years
 had the signup on the wiki, but this year we decided to try something
 different for the signup that didn't require an additional account to sign
 up. This should have given Ryan a bit of a break with people requesting
 wiki accounts last minute to sign up for the dinner. The link to the Google
 Doc was posted in the wiki, under the Newcomer dinner entry. Communications
 to the list and users have linked to the wiki page (though I do count one
 communication to the group that I directly linked to the Google Doc).

 If folks did not like the Google Docs setup for the dinners this year,
 please let me know and I can always bring the signups back to the wiki for
 future dinners. Again, it was an experiment for this year :c)

 I cannot speak for the Eventbrite pages, but my understanding that
 Eventbrite came with DLF handling registration finances this year.

 Thanks,
 Becky

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com
 javascript:; wrote:

  This really speaks to the c4l who’s-in-charge-here / nobody is in charge
 /
  take the ball and run with it zeitgeist.
 
  We have one person — Ryan Wick — who carries most of the load for the
  website and the wiki. I don’t think that he, or anyone else, takes
  responsibility for organizing the content. From here,it looks like
  everything is a mix of tradition and fire prevention. Accordingly, this
  year we had:
 
  — The conference web pages on code4lib.org
  — The usual assortment of pages on wiki.code4lib.org
  — The newcomer dinner page on Google Docs
  — Stuff on Eventbrite
 
  Resulting in a mix of the usual symptoms:
 
  — No single place to find stuff
  — Conflicting information
  — Not clear editorial policy
 
  So, what do we do, and who is this “we, anyhow?
 
  The conference organizers have control, in theory, but I think that they
  are understandably loath to mess with the traditional mix. There is no
  place for them to ask a question and get a single, cogent, authoritative
  answer.
 
  Code4lib itself isn’t really a thing, just an us, and we have been loath
  to form standing committees, although we have done that after a fashion
 for
  scholarships and the Journal. I think that the time has come for a
 Code4lib
  communications task force —I love that name — to address the structure of
  our public-facing resources. Any takers.
 
  In lieu of blessings from an executive structure, the task force can do
  something with pasta to confirm its authority.
 
  Any takers?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Cary
 
   On Feb 13, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Heller, Margaret mhell...@luc.edu
 javascript:; wrote:
  
   I think Sarah is absolutely right that we should have updated the
  conference information page with information about streaming, as I don't
  think most people not attending the conference would think to look at the
  wiki. Even if everyone forgot to do it during the conference that's a
 note
  to the future to remember to do it during the conference, and I've edited
  the page at http://code4lib.org/conference/2015 to give the link to the
  YouTube channel.
  
   And thanks so much video team!
  
   Margaret Heller
   Digital Services Librarian
   Loyola University Chicago
   773-508-2686
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
 javascript:;] On Behalf Of
  Sarah Weissman
   Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:18 PM
   To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU javascript:;
   Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4LibCon video crew thanks
  
   On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Francis Kayiwa kay...@pobox.com
 javascript:;
  wrote:
  
  
   Planning these things is tough work with numerous moving parts. Could
   it have been posted once we were underway? Perhaps. That said there
   was 450 odd people who were there none of whom (the author included)
   thought to send a message on availability of video to this listserv.
   (I know for certain it was tweeted and re-tweeted)
  
  
  
   I see what you are saying. I realize that logistics are tricky. I would
  have probably missed a mailing list message if it had come last minute.
 And
  I wasn't checking Twitter in a timely manner for updates on a conference
 I
  wasn't attending and therefore wasn't all that aware of the exact timing
  of. (Perhaps this is a great time to bump that librarians list to a more
  visible position in my Twitter feed...)
  
   And I should say that I'm glad that there is video to watch at all and
  grateful to the volunteer videographers that made it happen.
 



-- 
Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company
http://chillco.com