Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name Authority (CONA)
On 4/19/2010 3:02 PM, Cowles, Esme wrote: So of course I'd love them to offer it for free. But realistically, it probably cost them a fortune to develop, and they've got to recoup that somehow. Yes, but I can't imagine they're recouping much from licensing to non-profits--surely the real revenue is generated by licensing to commercial systems vendors. I would think that open access to the vocabularies = development of useful tools around them by third parties = wider adoption of Getty vocabularies = greater collective stake in them = greater likelihood that other institutions will step in to ensure they're maintained. Perhaps there are other issues here, though. -- Cory Rockliff Technical Services Librarian Bard Graduate Center: Decorative Arts, Design History, Material Culture 18 West 86th Street New York, NY 10024 T: (212) 501-3037 rockl...@bgc.bard.edu --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name Authority (CONA)
I worked on the Union Catalog of Art Images project trying to make a union catalog of art metadata, and what Leslie said goes double for cultural objects. A lot of art image catalogs don't separate work information from item/view information, and it makes it very difficult to figure out what metadata is about the the cultural object, and if two records from different institutions are about the same thing. The lack of widely-adopted metadata standards, including things like identifiers for cultural objects, made it particularly hard. At the end of 5 years of work (2 metadata librarians and 2 programmers working on this full time) we had made only marginal progress on that problem, and the only promising way forward we saw was developing a system for art librarians to review our database and manually merge and split our clusters. This would have been a Herculean undertaking. I know Getty was working on the same problem, and I can only assume they put in a lot of hours of tedious work (either improving their clustering algorithms, getting better data, or manually fixing the data they had). So of course I'd love them to offer it for free. But realistically, it probably cost them a fortune to develop, and they've got to recoup that somehow. -Esme -- Esme Cowles "Some people don't take no shit. Maybe if they did, they'd have half a brain left." -- Dead Kennedys, A Child and His Lawnmower On Apr 19, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Johnston, Leslie wrote: > That's actually exceptionally reasonable for a 5-year license. They've > charged quite a bit more to commercial developers that wanted to include the > vocabularies in their systems for resale. I can think of other services that > charge nonprofits $1,000/year for use of authorities. > > The vocabularies are copyrighted and not freeware. They're not simple > compilations, and I can say this as someone who contributed work to the AAT > efforts in the late 80s and early 90s. > > Leslie > > -Original Message- > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ethan > Gruber > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:04 PM > To: Johnston, Leslie; Code for Libraries > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name > Authority (CONA) > > They wanted at least $1000 for the geographic terms. Doesn't sound very > reasonable to me, to be honest, especially since I was considering developing > an application based on their own CDWA schema. > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Cory Rockliff wrote: > >> Actually, their licensing terms for non-profits are very reasonable. >> >> >> On 4/19/2010 11:43 AM, Ethan Gruber wrote: >> >>> I wonder how many thousands of dollars they will charge to use this. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Mark A. Matienzo>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- Forwarded message -- >>>> From: Erin Coburn >>>> Date: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM >>>> >>>> The Museum Computer Network (MCN), Gallery Systems, and the J. Paul >>>> Getty Trust are pleased to offer a free Webinar on a new vocabulary >>>> under development, the Cultural Objects Name Authority(tm) (CONA). >>>> >>>> "Introducing the Getty's new Cultural Objects Name Authority(tm) (CONA)" >>>> Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:30 AM - 1:00 PM EDT >>>> >>>> The Cultural Objects Name Authority(tm) (CONA) is a new Getty >>>> vocabulary currently under development. It is scheduled for >>>> introduction to the contributor community in 2011. CONA will join >>>> the other three Getty vocabularies, the Art& Architecture >>>> Thesaurus(r) (AAT), the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names(r) (TGN), >>>> and the Union List of Artist Names(r) (ULAN), as a tool for cataloging >>>> and retrieval of art information. CONA will contain titles, current >>>> location, and other core information for cultural works. The scope >>>> of CONA will include architecture and movable works such as >>>> paintings, sculpture, prints, drawings, manuscripts, photographs, >>>> ceramics, textiles, furniture, and archaeological artifacts. Murtha >>>> Baca, Head of Digital Art History Access at the Getty Research >>>> Institute, and Patricia Harpring, Managing Editor of the Getty >>>> Vocabulary Program, will present an introduction to CONA and will be >>>> available for questions. >>>> >>>> To register, please go to: >>>> https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/307938058 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --- >>> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cory Rockliff >> Technical Services Librarian >> Bard Graduate Center: Decorative Arts, Design History, Material >> Culture >> 18 West 86th Street >> New York, NY 10024 >> T: (212) 501-3037 >> rockl...@bgc.bard.edu >> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>
Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name Authority (CONA)
That's actually exceptionally reasonable for a 5-year license. They've charged quite a bit more to commercial developers that wanted to include the vocabularies in their systems for resale. I can think of other services that charge nonprofits $1,000/year for use of authorities. The vocabularies are copyrighted and not freeware. They're not simple compilations, and I can say this as someone who contributed work to the AAT efforts in the late 80s and early 90s. Leslie -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ethan Gruber Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:04 PM To: Johnston, Leslie; Code for Libraries Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name Authority (CONA) They wanted at least $1000 for the geographic terms. Doesn't sound very reasonable to me, to be honest, especially since I was considering developing an application based on their own CDWA schema. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Cory Rockliff wrote: > Actually, their licensing terms for non-profits are very reasonable. > > > On 4/19/2010 11:43 AM, Ethan Gruber wrote: > >> I wonder how many thousands of dollars they will charge to use this. >> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Mark A. Matienzo> >wrote: >> >> >> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Erin Coburn >>> Date: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM >>> >>> The Museum Computer Network (MCN), Gallery Systems, and the J. Paul >>> Getty Trust are pleased to offer a free Webinar on a new vocabulary >>> under development, the Cultural Objects Name Authority(tm) (CONA). >>> >>> "Introducing the Getty's new Cultural Objects Name Authority(tm) (CONA)" >>> Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:30 AM - 1:00 PM EDT >>> >>> The Cultural Objects Name Authority(tm) (CONA) is a new Getty >>> vocabulary currently under development. It is scheduled for >>> introduction to the contributor community in 2011. CONA will join >>> the other three Getty vocabularies, the Art& Architecture >>> Thesaurus(r) (AAT), the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names(r) (TGN), >>> and the Union List of Artist Names(r) (ULAN), as a tool for cataloging >>> and retrieval of art information. CONA will contain titles, current >>> location, and other core information for cultural works. The scope >>> of CONA will include architecture and movable works such as >>> paintings, sculpture, prints, drawings, manuscripts, photographs, >>> ceramics, textiles, furniture, and archaeological artifacts. Murtha >>> Baca, Head of Digital Art History Access at the Getty Research >>> Institute, and Patricia Harpring, Managing Editor of the Getty >>> Vocabulary Program, will present an introduction to CONA and will be >>> available for questions. >>> >>> To register, please go to: >>> https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/307938058 >>> >>> >>> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Cory Rockliff > Technical Services Librarian > Bard Graduate Center: Decorative Arts, Design History, Material > Culture > 18 West 86th Street > New York, NY 10024 > T: (212) 501-3037 > rockl...@bgc.bard.edu > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name Authority (CONA)
I believe that's $1000 for a five-year license, or $200 a year, for unlimited use of the data as an XML download and/or as a web service. That compares pretty favorably to, e.g., $325 / year minimum for access to RDA Toolkit. The real question here, I think, is not whether the price is right, but whether licensing of this sort is the best course for the Getty to pursue. They do already provide free access to their vocabularies in human-readable form--why not expand that into open access to the underlying data? The Getty vocabularies are far richer, semantically, than LCSH; within their domain, they'd be a great deal more useful as linked data than LCSH is in its id.loc.gov incarnation. I see no reason why publishing the Getty vocabularies as open linked data should disrupt their business model as a whole, either--they could continue to license their data to the commercial vendors who use them in, e.g., collection management systems, while providing this service to the community at large. On 4/19/2010 1:03 PM, Ethan Gruber wrote: They wanted at least $1000 for the geographic terms. Doesn't sound very reasonable to me, to be honest, especially since I was considering developing an application based on their own CDWA schema. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Cory Rockliffwrote: Actually, their licensing terms for non-profits are very reasonable. On 4/19/2010 11:43 AM, Ethan Gruber wrote: I wonder how many thousands of dollars they will charge to use this. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Erin Coburn Date: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM The Museum Computer Network (MCN), Gallery Systems, and the J. Paul Getty Trust are pleased to offer a free Webinar on a new vocabulary under development, the Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA). "Introducing the Getty’s new Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA)" Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:30 AM - 1:00 PM EDT The Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA) is a new Getty vocabulary currently under development. It is scheduled for introduction to the contributor community in 2011. CONA will join the other three Getty vocabularies, the Art& Architecture Thesaurus® (AAT), the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names® (TGN), and the Union List of Artist Names® (ULAN), as a tool for cataloging and retrieval of art information. CONA will contain titles, current location, and other core information for cultural works. The scope of CONA will include architecture and movable works such as paintings, sculpture, prints, drawings, manuscripts, photographs, ceramics, textiles, furniture, and archaeological artifacts. Murtha Baca, Head of Digital Art History Access at the Getty Research Institute, and Patricia Harpring, Managing Editor of the Getty Vocabulary Program, will present an introduction to CONA and will be available for questions. To register, please go to: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/307938058 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] -- Cory Rockliff Technical Services Librarian Bard Graduate Center: Decorative Arts, Design History, Material Culture 18 West 86th Street New York, NY 10024 T: (212) 501-3037 rockl...@bgc.bard.edu --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] -- Cory Rockliff Technical Services Librarian Bard Graduate Center: Decorative Arts, Design History, Material Culture 18 West 86th Street New York, NY 10024 T: (212) 501-3037 rockl...@bgc.bard.edu --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name Authority (CONA)
They wanted at least $1000 for the geographic terms. Doesn't sound very reasonable to me, to be honest, especially since I was considering developing an application based on their own CDWA schema. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Cory Rockliff wrote: > Actually, their licensing terms for non-profits are very reasonable. > > > On 4/19/2010 11:43 AM, Ethan Gruber wrote: > >> I wonder how many thousands of dollars they will charge to use this. >> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Mark A. Matienzo> >wrote: >> >> >> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: Erin Coburn >>> Date: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM >>> >>> The Museum Computer Network (MCN), Gallery Systems, and the J. Paul >>> Getty Trust are pleased to offer a free Webinar on a new vocabulary >>> under development, the Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA). >>> >>> "Introducing the Getty’s new Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA)" >>> Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:30 AM - 1:00 PM EDT >>> >>> The Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA) is a new Getty vocabulary >>> currently under development. It is scheduled for introduction to the >>> contributor community in 2011. CONA will join the other three Getty >>> vocabularies, the Art& Architecture Thesaurus® (AAT), the Getty >>> Thesaurus of Geographic Names® (TGN), and the Union List of Artist Names® >>> (ULAN), as a tool for cataloging and retrieval of art information. CONA >>> will contain titles, current location, and other core information for >>> cultural works. The scope of CONA will include architecture and movable >>> works such as paintings, sculpture, prints, drawings, manuscripts, >>> photographs, ceramics, textiles, furniture, and archaeological >>> artifacts. Murtha Baca, Head of Digital Art History Access at the Getty >>> Research Institute, and Patricia Harpring, Managing Editor of the Getty >>> Vocabulary Program, will present an introduction to CONA and will be >>> available for questions. >>> >>> To register, please go to: >>> https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/307938058 >>> >>> >>> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Cory Rockliff > Technical Services Librarian > Bard Graduate Center: Decorative Arts, Design History, Material Culture > 18 West 86th Street > New York, NY 10024 > T: (212) 501-3037 > rockl...@bgc.bard.edu > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name Authority (CONA)
Actually, their licensing terms for non-profits are very reasonable. On 4/19/2010 11:43 AM, Ethan Gruber wrote: I wonder how many thousands of dollars they will charge to use this. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Mark A. Matienzowrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Erin Coburn Date: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM The Museum Computer Network (MCN), Gallery Systems, and the J. Paul Getty Trust are pleased to offer a free Webinar on a new vocabulary under development, the Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA). "Introducing the Getty’s new Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA)" Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:30 AM - 1:00 PM EDT The Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA) is a new Getty vocabulary currently under development. It is scheduled for introduction to the contributor community in 2011. CONA will join the other three Getty vocabularies, the Art& Architecture Thesaurus® (AAT), the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names® (TGN), and the Union List of Artist Names® (ULAN), as a tool for cataloging and retrieval of art information. CONA will contain titles, current location, and other core information for cultural works. The scope of CONA will include architecture and movable works such as paintings, sculpture, prints, drawings, manuscripts, photographs, ceramics, textiles, furniture, and archaeological artifacts. Murtha Baca, Head of Digital Art History Access at the Getty Research Institute, and Patricia Harpring, Managing Editor of the Getty Vocabulary Program, will present an introduction to CONA and will be available for questions. To register, please go to: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/307938058 --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] -- Cory Rockliff Technical Services Librarian Bard Graduate Center: Decorative Arts, Design History, Material Culture 18 West 86th Street New York, NY 10024 T: (212) 501-3037 rockl...@bgc.bard.edu --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name Authority (CONA)
I wonder how many thousands of dollars they will charge to use this. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Erin Coburn > Date: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM > > The Museum Computer Network (MCN), Gallery Systems, and the J. Paul > Getty Trust are pleased to offer a free Webinar on a new vocabulary > under development, the Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA). > > "Introducing the Getty’s new Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA)" > Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:30 AM - 1:00 PM EDT > > The Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA) is a new Getty vocabulary > currently under development. It is scheduled for introduction to the > contributor community in 2011. CONA will join the other three Getty > vocabularies, the Art & Architecture Thesaurus® (AAT), the Getty > Thesaurus of Geographic Names® (TGN), and the Union List of Artist Names® > (ULAN), as a tool for cataloging and retrieval of art information. CONA > will contain titles, current location, and other core information for > cultural works. The scope of CONA will include architecture and movable > works such as paintings, sculpture, prints, drawings, manuscripts, > photographs, ceramics, textiles, furniture, and archaeological > artifacts. Murtha Baca, Head of Digital Art History Access at the Getty > Research Institute, and Patricia Harpring, Managing Editor of the Getty > Vocabulary Program, will present an introduction to CONA and will be > available for questions. > > To register, please go to: > https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/307938058 >
[CODE4LIB] Fwd: Webinar: Introducing Cultural Objects Name Authority (CONA)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Erin Coburn Date: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:54 AM The Museum Computer Network (MCN), Gallery Systems, and the J. Paul Getty Trust are pleased to offer a free Webinar on a new vocabulary under development, the Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA). "Introducing the Getty’s new Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA)" Tuesday, May 4, 2010 11:30 AM - 1:00 PM EDT The Cultural Objects Name Authority™ (CONA) is a new Getty vocabulary currently under development. It is scheduled for introduction to the contributor community in 2011. CONA will join the other three Getty vocabularies, the Art & Architecture Thesaurus® (AAT), the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names® (TGN), and the Union List of Artist Names® (ULAN), as a tool for cataloging and retrieval of art information. CONA will contain titles, current location, and other core information for cultural works. The scope of CONA will include architecture and movable works such as paintings, sculpture, prints, drawings, manuscripts, photographs, ceramics, textiles, furniture, and archaeological artifacts. Murtha Baca, Head of Digital Art History Access at the Getty Research Institute, and Patricia Harpring, Managing Editor of the Getty Vocabulary Program, will present an introduction to CONA and will be available for questions. To register, please go to: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/307938058
