Hi,
I'm female and am not an active code4lib participant. I'm subscribed
to the code4lib listserv and don't religiously read the discussion but
do scan them every so often in case something in my area comes up. I
didn't take the survey because I didn't think it was aimed at me.
However, I noticed
Well, I am (a) female and (b) a survey non-respondent and (c) do not
currently consider myself a member of the code4lib community. Am I
representative of these groups? I have no idea. But since Rosy is my
former colleague and I still miss her, I thought I would chime in.
Why do I not consider m
And it's not like there is some limitation to the number of rooms you
can hang out in. Someone could hang out in #code4lib and
#code4lib-something-else just as easily (perhaps participating in
different ways in the different spaces). I wouldn't see a second room
as pulling away participants from
I'm fine with naming it code4lib-learning or whatever. It must be clear
that it is an area for testing, hanging out, learning (we could even
schedule learning times to meet there -- following Esme's suggestion of
having a time at Chicago, and could include folks who aren't at c4l13).
And, as y
That makes sense, but I predict that if you create such a channel, even
if the intention is for training (in recognition that many women are
more comfortable training in a single gender environment, as kcoyle
says) -- people (mainly women people) will end up 'hanging out' in there
instead of in
I think a coed group would be great. It might be nice to have a separate IRC
channel for testing things out where people wouldn't have to worry about
bothering people or looking foolish.
I think an intro to IRC and quick rundown of all the zoia commands would be a
great thing to do in the Open
I second this, in its entirety.
Michele
-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Roy
Tennant
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:35 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results
On Wed, Dec 5
Roy,
It wasn't for safety -- it was for training. Some of us haven't spent
much time on IRC -- I never know what to do when I get there -- can't
remember commands, even with a decent GUI. So I was trying to think of
places (e.g. Github, IRC) where we'd like to have more women
participating an
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
> Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib IRC channel, maybe that can
> be a place to start.
I understand the motivation to create a "safe space" for women, but
please let's not do this. "Separate but equal" has never been shown to
make
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From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Bohyun
Kim
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 8:56 a.m.
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results
I just want to say BIG thanks to Rosalyn for running this survey and putting
toge
So rather than focusing on statistics and math, I'd like to steer the
conversation in a different direction. Let's say Ross is right and more
women chose to take the survey based on the topic -- maybe that's a way to
get women involved in Code4Lib.
Karen had the idea of creating a women Code4Lib
On 06/12/12 09:05, Sara Amato wrote:
I'd been staying out of this discussion, but the thought occurs to me that
someone with access to the list of subscribers might run that against a list of
traditional boy/girl names, and be able to make some guesses….
That idea runs into problems both with
Sara Amato
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
> > Hmm, it's quite possible you know more about statistics than me, but...
> >
> > Usually equations for calculating confidence level are based on
> > the assumption of a random sample, not a volunteering
> > self-selected sample
o you and Karen!
> -Ross.
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>
> > Hi Friends,
> >
> > I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey. Now that
> > conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a
I filled out the form and submitted my answers (male, not part of the
community) before seeing I can call myself part of the community
according to Ross's example "Are you part of the community" questions.
But that's just me :)
On 5-12-2012 20:56, Bohyun Kim wrote:
I just want to say BIG than
[CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Becky Yoose
> [b.yo...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 2:39 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results
>
>
>
> That was my understanding as well.
>
> I would a
lyn Metz wrote:
Hi Friends,
I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey. Now that
conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for
you
to kick back and read through.
[Code4Lib] Gender Survey
Data<
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq
t diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
>>> though. Thanks, again to you and Karen!
>>> -Ross.
>>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Friends,
>>>>
>>>> I put together the data and a summary for th
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 2:39 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Gender Survey Summary and Results
>
>
>
> That was my understanding as well.
>
> I would at least like to see the limitations of the survey addressed in the
&
at the number roughly corresponds to
>>> the number of seats in the conference. I think it would be interesting
>>> to
>>> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
>>>
>>> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put
to
>>> the number of seats in the conference. I think it would be interesting
>>> to
>>> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
>>>
>>> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
>&g
gt;> the number of seats in the conference. I think it would be interesting to
>>> see how this compares to the gender breakdown at the conference.
>>>
>>> This doesn't diminish how awesome it is that you put this together,
>>> though. Thanks,
Hi Friends,
I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey. Now that
conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for
you
to kick back and read through.
[Code4Lib] Gender Survey
Data<
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqfFxMd8RTVhdFVQSW
e:
>
> > Hi Friends,
> >
> > I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey. Now that
> > conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for
> you
> > to kick back and read through.
> >
> > [Code4Lib] Gender Survey
>
t 1:28 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
> Hi Friends,
>
> I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey. Now that
> conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for you
> to kick back and read through.
>
> [Cod
Hi Friends,
I put together the data and a summary for the gender survey. Now that
conference and hotel registration has subsided, it's a perfect time for you
to kick back and read through.
[Code4Lib] Gender Survey
Data<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet
and now we have more than 300 responses! my ocd is happy.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> Rosalyn Metz wrote:
>
> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG
>
> H3ll, two questions. That was too easy! --Eric
>
Rosalyn Metz wrote:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG
H3ll, two questions. That was too easy! --Eric
Last chance to participate.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG
I'll close it end of the day today (10pm Eastern / 7pm Pacific) and post a
little executive summary tomorrow.
Sigh. When the facetious comments are taken seriously, it's time to take a
break, folks.
Just sayin'
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
> David,
>
> Thank you for providing your opinion. Perhaps one day you and I will meet
> in person and I will be given t
David,
Thank you for providing your opinion. Perhaps one day you and I will meet
in person and I will be given the opportunity to prove it wrong.
As Karen stated and as I stated in my email to Gabriel: I don't want the first
half of the answers to be useless/inconsistent/different. If you want
On 11/28/12 10:58 AM, David Fiander wrote:
This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
members of the community.
I don't know why you conclude that. The technical reason for not
changing a survey mid-way through is quite solid -- it would invalidate
the results alre
This just sounds like you don't care about counting the gender variant
members of the community.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Rosalyn Metz wrote:
> I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft.
> As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people hav
I'm going to leave it as is for now, let's think of this as a first draft.
As I think I said to the list (not sure because lots of people have
contacted me directly) I'd hate to change it now because that'd just make
the first half of the answers useless/inconsistent/different than the rest.
Next
Great first step, Rosalyn. Could we include an "other" for those in the
community that may not be covered by the gender binary?
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Ross Singer wrote:
> I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've never
> thought about it or not really clear a
I'm pretty sure I said "if you're unsure" which means maybe you've never
thought about it or not really clear as to what 'part of the community' means.
I mean, I'm not trying to annex the unsuspecting or anything.
-Ross.
On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote:
> Um, no. Anyone
There are other interesting things that could be done with a survey... one
could ask Ross & Warren's questions in addition to the simpler "in
community"/"not in community".
Do women attend events and/or lurk on the list, but also not view
themselves as a member of the community, more than men do?
Um, no. Anyone who takes the survey has to have gotten the incoming link
from somewhere. This listserv is the most likely source. So, by your
definition almost anyone with the URL for the survey is a community
member.
Self-defining as part of the community is about how people see their role.
Ot
I would add the following:
You have attended a regional code4lib meetup (such as code4lib North)
Cheers,
Warren (who will now slink back into lurking mode)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Ross Singer wrote:
> To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the
> community' an
To second Rosy's point, if you are unsure if you are 'part of the community'
and you can answer yes to any of the following questions, you absolutely can
say 'yes' in the survey:
You are on the CODE4LIB mailing list
You have attended a Code4Lib conference
You have submitted to a CfP to a Code4Li
To our dear dear lurking friends,
We would also like you to take the survey. I put the "Do you consider
yourself a part of the Code4Lib community." question in the survey because
I wanted to make sure that people that were part of Code4Lib were
separated from the random people that might take th
Ok Folks,
I'm starting off small. Let's do a quick survey of the community and see
what the gender breakdown is.
Survey Link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/68G5TBG
It should take 1 minute to fill out. It closes at the end of the day
Friday (midnight). I'll share the results here on Monday whe
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