Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > The percentage of things that have decent LCSH assigned to them is >> small >> and shrinking for the simple reason that a fewer and fewer humans have to >> manage more resources. >> > > I'm not sure what you are saying

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

On 4/6/16 9:51 AM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: ... Libraries "do" it, but our user interfaces ignore it (honestly, does anyone NOT think that the whole BT/NT relationship in LCSH is completely wasted in today's systems?). Google

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

] On Behalf Of Greg Lindahl Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:44 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 07:42:11AM -0700, Karen Coyle wrote: > Also, without the links that fuel pager

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: > ... Libraries "do" it, but our user interfaces ignore it (honestly, does > anyone NOT think that the whole BT/NT relationship in LCSH is completely > wasted in today's systems?). Google searches "work" best on proper nouns >

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 07:42:11AM -0700, Karen Coyle wrote: > Also, without the links that fuel pagerank, the ranking is very > unsatisfactory - cf. Google Book searches, which are often very > unsatisfying -- and face it, if Google can't make it work, what are > the odds that we can? Karen, I

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

On 4/6/16 4:04 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: Instead, I think the problem to solve surrounds assisting the reader in using & understanding the stuff they find. I'd like to see innovation a step before find, but I think in a sense we're on the same wavelength. My take is that bibliographic

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

There is at least some new evidence that for at least some users...discovery patterns are moving toward library interfaces after having a steady decline [1]. It seems plausible to me that this shift may correlate to the change in tools and attitudes that has led to integrated discovery layers

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Jason Bengtson wrote: > This is librarians fighting a PR battle we can't win. I doubt most people > care about these assertions, and I certainly don't think they stand a > chance of swaying anyone. This is like the old "librarians need to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

I think some should get off their pedestals and think how the unknown to you patron is to find you, your library and your content. To assume the user has come and ask you is to put too much burden on the user to find and access what you have. This weeks furthest patron for me was the other side

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

This is librarians fighting a PR battle we can't win. I doubt most people care about these assertions, and I certainly don't think they stand a chance of swaying anyone. This is like the old "librarians need to promote themselves better" chestnut. Losing strategies, in my opinion. Rather than

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

On Apr 5, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: > Eric, there were studies done a few decades ago using factual questions. > Here's a critical round-up of some of the studies: > http://www.jstor.org/stable/25828215 Basically, 40-60% correct, but possibly > the questions

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

Eric, there were studies done a few decades ago using factual questions. Here's a critical round-up of some of the studies: http://www.jstor.org/stable/25828215 Basically, 40-60% correct, but possibly the questions were not representative -- so possibly the results are really worse :( kc

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

"Google can give you answers, Librarians can help you reflect on your questions" cheers stuart -- ...let us be heard from red core to black sky On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > I sincerely wonder to what extent librarians give the reader > (patrons)

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

I sincerely wonder to what extent librarians give the reader (patrons) the right -- correct -- answer to a (reference) question. Such is a hypothesis that can be tested and measured. Please show me non-antidotal evidence one way or the other. --ELM

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

"Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers." True, indeed, "right" is relative! And, while I may consider phrasing this statement a little differently -- for the inconsistency thrown up by an unnecessary modal verb, for a start! - perhaps, "librarians" should not be

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

"Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers." True, indeed, "right" is relative! And, while I may consider phrasing this statement a little differently -- for the inconsistency thrown up by an unnecessary modal verb, for a start! - perhaps, "librarians" should not be

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

That statement is pretty old. Today, much of the internet is written for machines or by machines. Poorly written rehashed fluffy content dominates. As time goes on, even though search algorithms are getting better and the general public is getting more savvy about how to use a search engine,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. <corneldarde...@gmail.com > wrote: > > "Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers." > > Is

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

On Apr 1, 2016, at 0:31, Cornel Darden Jr. wrote: > "Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers." > > Library: "because not everything on the internet is true" > > Some people applauded the statement and were like: "yay librarians!" > >

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. wrote: > > "Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers." > > Is it me? Or is there something wrong with this statement? > There's nothing wrong with the statement. As is the case with all

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

Of Siân Evans Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 12:29 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers Thanks for this discussion thread. I would argue that good librarians don't provide answers at all, they provide the means

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

ry relevant. > > Best, > > -- Ivan Goldsmith > Front End Developer > > Penn Libraries Web Unit > > > From: Code for Libraries <CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU> on behalf of Cornel > Darden Jr. <corneldarde...@gmail.com&g

Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

___ From: Code for Libraries <CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU> on behalf of Cornel Darden Jr. <corneldarde...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 12:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give yo

[CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers

Hello, "Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers." Is it me? Or is there something wrong with this statement? I've been hearing statements like this since I've been in the field. Tonight I saw a public library post on FB: Library: "because not everything on the