Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-18 Thread Edward Spodick
So a question - should we start proxying AddThis.com and ShareThis.com and their ilk whenever our proxy is being used, precisely to complicate the tracking? -Edward On 17/8/14 12:25 am, Eric Hellman wrote: So, 2 points worth discussing here. 1. I'll bet you most proxy servers are not

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-18 Thread Gary McGath
Proxying has no effect on canvas fingerprinting. On 8/18/14 4:47 AM, Edward Spodick wrote: So a question - should we start proxying AddThis.com and ShareThis.com and their ilk whenever our proxy is being used, precisely to complicate the tracking? -Edward On 17/8/14 12:25 am, Eric

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-17 Thread Kyle Banerjee
You need to cut holes so you can see -- I should have mentioned that. Be sure to wear sunglasses to confound remote retinal scanners... On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote: I tried a paper bag, but it was very hard to find books. On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-17 Thread Riley Childs
Maybe you need a cloak of invisibility Sent from my Windows Phone From: Cary Gordonmailto:listu...@chillco.com Sent: ‎8/‎16/‎2014 5:00 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-17 Thread Riley Childs
I would like to note, roy4lib uses addthis... ;) Sent from my Windows Phone From: Kyle Banerjeemailto:kyle.baner...@gmail.com Sent: ‎8/‎17/‎2014 2:16 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-17 Thread Debra Shapiro
Conversation between 2 instructional staff at a library school: Staff 1, “Say, I went down to our departmental library, and had to use the little paper slip to take out a book, because it’s summer and after hours. You have to fill in the book title, book bar code, and your own name ID barcode.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-17 Thread Karen Coyle
:-) Well, I don't know that I would use the word adorable, but it does warm my heart. I found, to my pleasure, that libraries were shredding the paper computer sign-up sheets every evening (or when they filled up). That was good. But then I found, to my displeasure, that they had a box on the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-16 Thread Dan Scott
On Aug 15, 2014 5:52 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: On 8/15/14, 12:07 PM, Eric Hellman wrote: AddThis and ShareThis, on the other hand have TOS that let them use tracking for advertising, and that's what their business is. So, hypothetically, a teen could look at library catalog

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-16 Thread Gary McGath
On 8/16/14 8:38 AM, Dan Scott wrote: I think the primary concern rises from users accessing the catalogue from their own machine / browser, where services can easily and reliably correlate web usage behavior of an individual over time across many web properties. The annoyance of inappropriate

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-16 Thread Eric Hellman
So, 2 points worth discussing here. 1. I'll bet you most proxy servers are not proxying AddThis.com or Sharethis.com. So there wouldn't be any effect of proxying on the user tracking they do. 2. It really doesn't matter if you identify yourself to the catalog or not. You're being tracked

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-16 Thread Riley Childs
Hellmanmailto:e...@hellman.net Sent: ‎8/‎16/‎2014 12:25 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis) So, 2 points worth discussing here. 1. I'll bet you most proxy servers are not proxying

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-16 Thread Eric Hellman
not) Can't we make our own non dynamic share links Sent from my Windows Phone From: Eric Hellmanmailto:e...@hellman.net Sent: ‎8/‎16/‎2014 12:25 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDUmailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-16 Thread Riley Childs
: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis) So, 2 points worth discussing here. 1. I'll bet you most proxy servers are not proxying AddThis.com or Sharethis.com. So there wouldn't be any effect of proxying on the user tracking they do. 2. It really doesn't matter

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-16 Thread Cary Gordon
I tried a paper bag, but it was very hard to find books. On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jason Bengtson j.bengtson...@gmail.com wrote: ... Generally speaking, I think surveillance is wretched stuff. But

[CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-15 Thread Eric Hellman
On Aug 14, 2014, at 4:32 PM, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: At the university where I work Google Analytics is the standard, and we use it on the library's web site. There's probably no way around that---but we can tell people how to block the tracking, which will help them locally

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-15 Thread Jon Goodell
I don't believe the horse has left the barn forever. As Bruce Schneier says, security is a process, not a product. And as we learn more about this space we can advocate in our own institutions for greater awareness and perhaps adjustments to the technologies we use to evaluate online activity.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-15 Thread Riley Childs
, August 15, 2014 3:25 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis) I don't believe the horse has left the barn forever. As Bruce Schneier says, security is a process, not a product. And as we learn more about this space we can

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-15 Thread Karen Coyle
On 8/15/14, 12:07 PM, Eric Hellman wrote: AddThis and ShareThis, on the other hand have TOS that let them use tracking for advertising, and that's what their business is. So, hypothetically, a teen could look at library catalog records for books about childbirth, and as a result, later be

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-15 Thread Jason Bengtson
Catalog: catalog.cucawarriors.com From: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU on behalf of Jon Goodell jon.good...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 3:25 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP

Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Privacy, RIP (Was: Canvas Fingerprinting by AddThis)

2014-08-15 Thread Kyle Banerjee
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jason Bengtson j.bengtson...@gmail.com wrote: ... Generally speaking, I think surveillance is wretched stuff. But there is a point at which the hand wringing becomes a bit much. I agree with Jon in that, while things are at a critical point, the technologies