Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename
I agree with Bryan's caution against relying on publisher's use of ISBNs. You can't even rely on the ebook having an ISBN different from that used by the print edition (or one of the print editions). There is nothing like ISSN-L for ISBNs. You could use the "What Work?" LibraryThing API: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/LibraryThing_APIs --Kevin On 2:59 PM, Joel Marchesoni wrote: I like the idea of a master ISBN (one number to rule them all? Sorry, too easy) but I think failing that I'd stick with the Ebook's ISBN. Any search on it will give a user the title and author of the work. Plus, it gives you a unique number for each item. Joel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Lackhoff Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 02:30 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename On 21.05.2013 20:14 Eric Lease Morgan wrote: The convention I have always used included the first word of the author's last name, the first (non-stop) word of the title, and an integer (accession number): plato-republic-105.epub It has the advantage of being short but I would like a bit more info, at least publication year and a longer part of the title and the/a ISBN. Perhaps I will just make something up myself. Since I would also like to include the ISBN, is there such a thing like a "main" or "master" ISBN in case a work has more than one of them? I am looking for something like the ISSN-L, but of course for books instead of journals. Something like the reverse of the xISBN service: 'many to one' instead of 'one to many'. If there is nothing like that I might just use the first one given in the book. -Michael
Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename
On 22.05.2013 16:45 Bryan Baldus wrote: > On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:01 AM, Joel Marchesoni wrote: >> I like the idea of a master ISBN (one number to rule them all? >> Sorry, too easy) but I think failing that I'd stick with the [...] > As far as I know, there is not > "such a thing like a "main" or "master" ISBN" [1]. The idea was to have a part for humans (title, author, year) to get an idea about the book (even if it is not as well known as Platos Republic) and some sort of identifier that makes it easy to get more info about the book (the full record). This should still be possible though as I see more clearly after your responses not in a strict sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts -Michael p.s.: By the way, I had an additional use case in mind. I have the idea to mirror my personal printed book collection in the file system with a folder for every shelf with subfolders for every book, named similarly as outlined in this thread and then put everything I can get about my books into these folders: MARC-XML record, cover image, scanned/OCRed table of content where available... The idea is that a simple file search/grep would be enough to find stuff. Perhaps a bit odd but I am fond of usable low tech solutions ;-)
Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename
On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:01 AM, Joel Marchesoni wrote: >I like the idea of a master ISBN (one number to rule them all? Sorry, too >easy) but I think failing that I'd stick with the Ebook's ISBN. Any search on >it will give a user the title and author of the work. Plus, it gives you a >unique number for each item. Are publishers better about how they use ISBNs on electronic resources than they are on books? Because an ISBN, while theoretically unique when applied as intended, is certainly not always unique in practice (where publishers reuse ISBNs for subsequent editions, and even sometimes for completely different books). That said, if you are including an ISBN in the name (for resources which have ISBNs), then I'd agree that the one that applies to the e-book version(s) should be used rather than the one(s) that should apply to the print version(s). As far as I know, there is not "such a thing like a "main" or "master" ISBN" [1]. ### [1] Wednesday, May 22, 2013 02:30, Michael Lackhoff Thank you for your time, Bryan Baldus Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. The Best of America's Independent Presses 1-800-323-4241x402 bryan.bal...@quality-books.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename
I like the idea of a master ISBN (one number to rule them all? Sorry, too easy) but I think failing that I'd stick with the Ebook's ISBN. Any search on it will give a user the title and author of the work. Plus, it gives you a unique number for each item. Joel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael Lackhoff Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 02:30 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename On 21.05.2013 20:14 Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > The convention I have always used included the first word of the author's > last name, the first (non-stop) word of the title, and an integer (accession > number): > > plato-republic-105.epub It has the advantage of being short but I would like a bit more info, at least publication year and a longer part of the title and the/a ISBN. Perhaps I will just make something up myself. Since I would also like to include the ISBN, is there such a thing like a "main" or "master" ISBN in case a work has more than one of them? I am looking for something like the ISSN-L, but of course for books instead of journals. Something like the reverse of the xISBN service: 'many to one' instead of 'one to many'. If there is nothing like that I might just use the first one given in the book. -Michael
Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename
On 21.05.2013 20:14 Eric Lease Morgan wrote: > The convention I have always used included the first word of the author's > last name, the first (non-stop) word of the title, and an integer (accession > number): > > plato-republic-105.epub It has the advantage of being short but I would like a bit more info, at least publication year and a longer part of the title and the/a ISBN. Perhaps I will just make something up myself. Since I would also like to include the ISBN, is there such a thing like a "main" or "master" ISBN in case a work has more than one of them? I am looking for something like the ISSN-L, but of course for books instead of journals. Something like the reverse of the xISBN service: 'many to one' instead of 'one to many'. If there is nothing like that I might just use the first one given in the book. -Michael
Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename
> Is the integer just a sequential count of all items or is it specific to > the name title pair? It is a unique integer (sequential count), and possibly a key for some sort. --ELM
Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename
Is the integer just a sequential count of all items or is it specific to the name title pair? Kevin On May 21, 2013 2:14 PM, "Eric Lease Morgan" wrote: > On May 21, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Michael Lackhoff wrote: > > > Ebooks as you get them have very different naming schemes and I would > > like to rename them according to a common naming convention which should > > include some important bibliographic data like publication year, title > > (up to what length?), ISBN (which one? ISBN10, ISBN13, the "better > > known" ISBN of the printed version or the one of the electronic > > version?), perhaps publisher and author(s) (how many?). > > The convention I have always used included the first word of the author's > last name, the first (non-stop) word of the title, and an integer > (accession number): > > plato-republic-105.epub > > -- > Eric Morgan >
Re: [CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename
On May 21, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Michael Lackhoff wrote: > Ebooks as you get them have very different naming schemes and I would > like to rename them according to a common naming convention which should > include some important bibliographic data like publication year, title > (up to what length?), ISBN (which one? ISBN10, ISBN13, the "better > known" ISBN of the printed version or the one of the electronic > version?), perhaps publisher and author(s) (how many?). The convention I have always used included the first word of the author's last name, the first (non-stop) word of the title, and an integer (accession number): plato-republic-105.epub -- Eric Morgan
[CODE4LIB] Minimal bibliographic record as filename
Ebooks as you get them have very different naming schemes and I would like to rename them according to a common naming convention which should include some important bibliographic data like publication year, title (up to what length?), ISBN (which one? ISBN10, ISBN13, the "better known" ISBN of the printed version or the one of the electronic version?), perhaps publisher and author(s) (how many?). As you can see I have some idea but even more question marks. Are there any templates out there I could use or adapt? Ideally I would write a script to rename the books, so it should cover most real world cases in a sensible way, so it contains the essential data without getting too long. Any ideas? -Michael
