Re: [CODE4LIB] Notes from Tuesday's Plone/Zope breakout session, C4L 2009 c4l09

2009-03-30 Thread Jodi Schneider 

Genny,

I'm not really sure either--I was just the scribe for that session!  
The main difference I see is that clicking into a Plone website (when  
logged in) changes to edit mode.


Sorry to not have a better answer.
-Jodi

On Mar 9, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Genny Engel wrote:

I have heard this before, that Plone is better than Drupal for the  
end user / content contributor, and that people like the "inline  
editing."  I've been a little baffled comparing Drupal 6 and Plone  
because the editing features actually look about equally  ...  
er ...  not-quite-what-they're-gonna-want for our potential content  
contributors.   I'm not really getting what's more inline about  
Plone editing -- both have an Edit option that brings up a web  
form.  Perhaps the divide between Drupal and Plone editing  
interfaces was significantly greater in earlier Drupal versions?   
The only one I've really looked at in depth has been 6.




Genny Engel
Sonoma County Library
gen...@sonoma.lib.ca.us
707 545-0831 x581
www.sonomalibrary.org




schneide...@appstate.edu 03/09/09 11:00AM >>>



from Vignette ($ license, complicated end-user interface). Didn't have
SDK's, hard to get content contributed.  Content contributor user
interface (Drupal easier for programmers, sucks for end-user.)

Re: [CODE4LIB] Notes from Tuesday's Plone/Zope breakout session, C4L 2009 c4l09

2009-03-09 Thread Genny Engel 
I have heard this before, that Plone is better than Drupal for the end user / 
content contributor, and that people like the "inline editing."  I've been a 
little baffled comparing Drupal 6 and Plone because the editing features 
actually look about equally  ... er ...  not-quite-what-they're-gonna-want for 
our potential content contributors.   I'm not really getting what's more inline 
about Plone editing -- both have an Edit option that brings up a web form.  
Perhaps the divide between Drupal and Plone editing interfaces was 
significantly greater in earlier Drupal versions?  The only one I've really 
looked at in depth has been 6.  
 
 
 
Genny Engel
Sonoma County Library
gen...@sonoma.lib.ca.us
707 545-0831 x581
www.sonomalibrary.org
 


>>> schneide...@appstate.edu 03/09/09 11:00AM >>>


from Vignette ($ license, complicated end-user interface). Didn't have 
SDK's, hard to get content contributed.  Content contributor user 
interface (Drupal easier for programmers, sucks for end-user.)

[CODE4LIB] Notes from Tuesday's Plone/Zope breakout session, C4L 2009 c4l09

2009-03-09 Thread Jodi Schneider 
Here are my notes from the Plone/Zope breakout session. Pardon my messy 
notetaking! -Jodi
PS-I plan to post a version of these at code4lib.org eventually. If you 
attended and prefer I don't, please let me know.



Vernon Chapman, NAL
Kevin Clarke, Appalachian State University
David Cloutman, Marin County Free Library
Douglas Hahn, Texas A&M University
Tom Ceresini, PALINET
Heather Rolan, Yeshiva University
Jodi Schneider, Appalachian State University
Jon Stroop, Princeton University (Metadata Analyst)


repose.bfg ---can run plone/zope right through apache



http://library.tamu.edu

1.5 - 2 years (1 year in production)

from Vignette ($ license, complicated end-user interface). Didn't have 
SDK's, hard to get content contributed.  Content contributor user 
interface (Drupal easier for programmers, sucks for end-user.) 100-150 
content editors  40,000 users


Subject guides, finding aids, class guides--custom metadata types

Pain points: caching, sending out the content, maintaining speed, 
getting locks on content (hard-coded to try 2 times--changed to 99 times)


Run varnish (varnish-cache.com), pound (no longer needed if you run 
varnish 2.0), 2 zeo servers ZODB -- more complicated architecture than 
they would like

Want load w/i 1 second

6 month ramp-out time, wanted display framework

layers in front may be necessary (e.g. searching, load 
balancing)--except for


Content mirror--dumped to DB, pulled to Django
http://blog.kapilt.com/2008/07/02/introducing-content-mirror/

Solr--for searching

add a writer to have a feed--Atom, RSS

120-150
LOTS of checks--wear and tear on performance--an issue for PUBLIC content


plinket using plone


repoze.org--
wsgi---web services gateway interface

http://grok.zope.org/



Plone is the display layer for Zope




http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Plone-Development-content-centric-applications/dp/1847191983/


Can deal with multiple levels:

IA, web design, programming
ZMI level/CSS level, python base code


portal types/content types
copy and paste--problem is when you upgrade, it goes away.



Comparison to http://www.djangoproject.com/ framework


ZODB compared to RDBS:
easy to backup: text file. just do a diff
takes anything (large stuff--videos ok)



Where in the stack something is?


What you like about Plone:

inline editing
versioning
approve/publishing
WSIWIG editors
"just works" if it fits your content types

"Spent all our time on making it pretty" -- "Didn't spend ANY time on 
content editors"







Ask TAMU: Can they share their subject guide content type?
(took 20 hours for them to do--e.g. 1 20 hr/wk --one )

class guide
FAQ

forms took longer--now has form builder product--complex forms with 
javascript checking


UI work on display

Goes out to solr--associated journals, etc.

Tom went to online training from 7technw
4 hrs/day for 3 days, relatively introductory



Clouseau: while developing, can have live python command line

Firebug
Web Developer Toolbar


sole developer
understand IRC