Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-25 Thread David Friggens
> But we do encourage (promote) an interface that forces > off-campus authentication to our Summon instance. With an explanation that it's because of pirates! :-) https://auth.lib.unc.edu/ezproxy_auth.php?url=http://unc.summon.serialssolutions.com/search?s.q= > And one we would need to revisit i

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-25 Thread Ken Varnum
At MIchigan, we direct users to an interface within our library site. Over the last week, a bit more than 28% of searches against the Summon service were from on-campus (hardwired) computers. An additional 25% of searches were conducted from authenticated campus wireless networks. So slightly more

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-25 Thread Brad Baxter
We at GALILEO have thought about this. We authenticate everyone. If they're on campus it's by IP, if not, by password. So everyone sees everything. This also lets us define which EDS profile to direct the user to. -- Brad On 10/24/12, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > On 10/24/2012 2:52 PM, Joe H

[CODE4LIB] Crappy AJAX (was: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon))

2012-10-25 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Gary McGath wrote: > On 10/24/12 8:58 PM, Ross Singer wrote: >> On Oct 24, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Gary McGath wrote: >>> On 10/24/12 4:00 PM, Ross Singer wrote: On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Gary McGath wrote: Also, why wouldn't your AJAX-enabled app be prepared

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-25 Thread Gary McGath
On 10/24/12 8:58 PM, Ross Singer wrote: > On Oct 24, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Gary McGath wrote: > >> On 10/24/12 4:00 PM, Ross Singer wrote: >>> On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Gary McGath wrote: >>> With AJAX, a resource can be brought up by refreshing part of an existing page rather than as a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-25 Thread Laurence Lockton
Hi Jonathan, My library colleagues consider this to be an very important issue. For Primo, users must be authenticated by login or IP address for Web of Science results to be included from Primo Central, and they must be logged in for EBSCO results to be included (i.e. even on campus.) The Web of

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Shearer, Timothy J
_ >From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of David >Friggens [frigg...@waikato.ac.nz] >Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:15 PM >To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU >Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp >Summon)

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
U] on behalf of David Friggens [frigg...@waikato.ac.nz] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:15 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon) >> a) most queries come from on-campus > Really? Are people just assum

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread David Friggens
>> a) most queries come from on-campus > Really? Are people just assuming this, or do they actually have data? That > would surprise me for most contemporary american places of higher education. For the last two months, 25.4% of our Summon traffic has come from the IP addresses we've given as "on

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Ross Singer
On Oct 24, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Gary McGath wrote: > On 10/24/12 4:00 PM, Ross Singer wrote: >> On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Gary McGath wrote: >> >>> With AJAX, a resource can be brought up by refreshing part of an >>> existing page rather than as a whole new page. If the page is expecting, >>> f

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Gary McGath
On 10/24/12 4:00 PM, Ross Singer wrote: > On Oct 24, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Gary McGath wrote: > >> With AJAX, a resource can be brought up by refreshing part of an >> existing page rather than as a whole new page. If the page is expecting, >> for example, a JPEG image, and the request for the image i

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Andrew Nagy tried to explain to me off-list what content in Summon is 'restricted', but I honestly couldn't understand his explanation, but it didn't seem to be as simple as "A list of A&I databases", it for some reason had something to do with full text licensing your institution had (I know,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 10/24/2012 5:37 PM, Godmar Back wrote: a) most queries come from on-campus Really? Are people just assuming this, or do they actually have data? That would surprise me for most contemporary american places of higher education. But it may very well be the extra "restricted" content is no

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Godmar Back
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Mark Mounts wrote: > We have Summon at Dartmouth College. Authentication is IP based so with a > Dartmouth IP address the user will see all our licensed content. > > There is also the option to see all the content Summon has beyond what we > license by selecting th

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Godmar Back
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > Looking at the major 'discovery' products, Summon, Primo, EDS > > ...all three will provide some results to un-authenticated users (the > general public), but have some portions of the corpus that are restricted > and won't show up i

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Ross Singer
aries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Gary >> McGath >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2:16 PM >> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU >> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp >> Summon) >> >> On 10

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Thomale, Jason
> But I think my conclusion is that few implementers have thought about > this, and most off-campus users probably don't get restricted content. > :) Which may be just fine -- the amount of restricted content in a given > product is also unclear (hard to compare between products, hard to even > kno

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Gary McGath
, October 24, 2012 2:16 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp > Summon) > > On 10/24/12 2:40 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > >> Primo, by default, will suppress some content from end-users unless >>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Kaile Zhu
] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon) On 10/24/12 2:40 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > Primo, by default, will suppress some content from end-users unless > they are authenticated, no? Maybe that's what "restricted search scopes" > are? I'm

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Gary McGath
On 10/24/12 2:40 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > Primo, by default, will suppress some content from end-users unless they > are authenticated, no? Maybe that's what "restricted search scopes" > are? I'm not talking about your locally indexed content, but about the > "PrimoCentral" index of scholar

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 10/24/2012 2:52 PM, Joe Hourcle wrote: Do they even get a message that they've been restricted? I would think that having a message such as : 74 records not shown because you weren't authenticated As far as I know, none of the products have the ability to tell them _how many_ reco

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Oct 24, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: > On 10/24/2012 2:04 PM, Ben Florin wrote: >> We use Primo, but we've never bothered with their restricted search scopes. > > Apparently the answer to my question is that nobody has thought about this > before, heh. > > Primo, by default, wi

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Mark Mounts
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2:38 PM To: Code for Libraries Cc: Mark Mounts Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon) Right, thanks, but you're missing my point/question. A significant portion of all of our libraries use these days is by p

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 10/24/2012 2:04 PM, Ben Florin wrote: We use Primo, but we've never bothered with their restricted search scopes. Apparently the answer to my question is that nobody has thought about this before, heh. Primo, by default, will suppress some content from end-users unless they are authentic

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
RV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:16 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon) Looking at the major 'discovery' products, Summon, Primo, EDS ...all three will

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Ben Florin
We use Primo, but we've never bothered with their restricted search scopes. What are the use cases for putting discovery behind authentication? We often require users to authenticate for access, but we don't mind outsiders seeing what we've got. I imagine that if we did have something whose exi

Re: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Mark Mounts
collection" Mark -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:16 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summ

[CODE4LIB] Q: "Discovery" products and authentication (esp Summon)

2012-10-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Looking at the major 'discovery' products, Summon, Primo, EDS ...all three will provide some results to un-authenticated users (the general public), but have some portions of the corpus that are restricted and won't show up in your results unless you have an authenticated user affiliated w