Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI

2007-10-25 Thread Jakob Voss
Hi Clay, I completely agree with everything you just wrote, especially about Atom + APP being more than just a technology for blogs. APP is a great lightweight alternative to WebDAV, and promising for all sorts of data transfer. The fact that it has developer groundswell is a huge plus.

Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI

2007-10-25 Thread Jakob Voss
Peter wrote: Also, re: blog mirroring, I highly recommend the current discussions floating aroung the blogosphere regarding distributed source control (Git, Mercurial, etc.). It's a fundamental paradigm shift from centralized control to distributed control that points the way toward the future

[CODE4LIB] Distributed Models the Library (was: Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI)

2007-10-25 Thread pkeane
Hi Jakob- Yes, I think you are correct that it is a bit much to think that a distributed archiving model is a bit much for libraries to even consider now, but I do think there are useful insights to be gained here. As it stands now, linux developers using Git can carry around the entire change

[CODE4LIB] Distributed Models the Library (was: Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI)

2007-10-25 Thread Jason Stirnaman
not, for instance, and entire library catalog? If I could check out the library catalog onto my computer use whatever tools I wished to search, Peter, You might be interested in Art Rhyno's experiment. Here's Jon Udell's summary: Art Rhyno’s science project Art Rhyno’s title is Systems

Re: [CODE4LIB] Distributed Models the Library (was: Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI)

2007-10-25 Thread pkeane
Very interesting! I will check it out -Peter On Thu, 25 Oct 2007, Jason Stirnaman wrote: not, for instance, and entire library catalog? If I could check out the library catalog onto my computer use whatever tools I wished to search, Peter, You might be interested in Art Rhyno's

Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI

2007-10-24 Thread pkeane
This conversation about Atom is, I think, really an important one to have. As well designed and thought out as protocols standards such as OAI-PMH, METS (and the budding OAI-ORE spec) are, they don't have that viral technology attribute of utter simplicity. Sure there are trade-offs, but the

Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI

2007-10-24 Thread Clay Redding
Hi Peter, I completely agree with everything you just wrote, especially about Atom + APP being more than just a technology for blogs. APP is a great lightweight alternative to WebDAV, and promising for all sorts of data transfer. The fact that it has developer groundswell is a huge plus.

Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI

2007-10-23 Thread Jakob Voss
Hi Ed, You wrote: I completely agree. When developing software it's really important to focus on the cleanest/clearest solution, rather than getting bogged down in edge cases and the comments from nay sayers. I hope that my response didn't come across that way. :-) A couple follow on

Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI

2007-10-22 Thread Jakob Voss
Ed Summers wrote: Thanks for posting this Jakob. I was just reading RFC 5005 on the train yesterday (literally) and the parallels between it and OAI-PMH struck me as well. It's not quite clear to me how deleted records would be handled with an atom archive feed. But I guess one could assume if

Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI

2007-10-22 Thread Ed Summers
On 10/22/07, Jakob Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt that archiving weblogs is that complicated [1]! You need a harvester (partly implemented in many Feed-Reader), an archive (you could start with just saving validated ATOM-Files), an index (Solr?) and a reader (also already implemented in

Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI

2007-10-20 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
On 10/19/07, Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stuart Weibel has written [1] about the subject of blog archiving in the past. And I remember hearing Jon Udell and Dan Chudnov talk about it [2]. Dan also wrote about blog mirroring, which may be applicable, here:

Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI

2007-10-19 Thread Ed Summers
Thanks for posting this Jakob. I was just reading RFC 5005 on the train yesterday (literally) and the parallels between it and OAI-PMH struck me as well. It's not quite clear to me how deleted records would be handled with an atom archive feed. But I guess one could assume if the identifier is no