Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-19 Thread Kyle Banerjee
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: The language you choose is somewhat dependent on the data you're working with. I don't find that Ruby or PHP are particularly good at dealing with XML. They're passable for data manipulation and migration, but I wouldn't

[CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Jason Stirnaman
PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote: I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and first encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always* disliked it. Last

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Justin Coyne
: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote: I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and first encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always* disliked it. Last year I had to work on a project

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Ethan Gruber
[CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Joe Hourcle [onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 12:52 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote: I have been writing software

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Justin Coyne
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Joe Hourcle [onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 12:52 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote: I have been writing software

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Cary Gordon
, February 17, 2013 12:52 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote: I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and first encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-18 Thread John Fereira
PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote: I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and first encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always* disliked it. Last

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Matthew Sherman
Center 913-588-7319 From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Joe Hourcle [onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 12:52 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Justin Coyne
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote: I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and first encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always* disliked it. Last year I had to work

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-18 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:17 AM, John Fereira wrote: I suggested PHP primarily because I find it easy to read and understand and that's it's very commonly used. Both Drupal and Wordpress are written in PHP and if we're talking about building web pages there are a lot of sites that use one of

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-18 Thread Hugh Cayless
There is *no* ideal first language. PHP is fine. Perl is fine. All of them are terrible in their own ways. ;-) Any of them will give you an idea of how programming logic works, if you want to stop there. If you don't, you mustn't stick with just one language. They all have their problems, and

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-18 Thread John Fereira
-Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Joe Hourcle Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:37 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:17 AM, John Fereira wrote: I

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-18 Thread Sullivan, Mark V
the pulpit of OOP though. Mark / UF -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of John Fereira Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:17 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? -Original Message

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-18 Thread Mark Pernotto
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of John Fereira Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:17 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Joe Hourcle Sent: Monday

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-18 Thread Justin Coyne
[mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of John Fereira Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:17 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Joe Hourcle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Jason Stirnaman
:18 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?) Getting back to the original point so noting some nice starting tools, I find http://www.codecademy.com to be a decent starting spot

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-18 Thread John Fereira
for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Pernotto Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:38 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? My recommendation to those interested in coding, either professionally or as a hobby, is to find

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Michael Schofield
] On Behalf Of James Stuart Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 2:23 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?) I'll put a rec out for CodeSchool. They started mostly with ruby

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 2/18/2013 2:04 PM, Jason Stirnaman wrote: I've been thinking alot about how to introduce not only my kids, but some of our cataloging/technical staff to thinking programmatically or computationally[1] or whatever you want to call it. Do you have an opinion of the google 'computational

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Karen Coyle
On 2/18/13 12:53 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: On 2/18/2013 2:04 PM, Jason Stirnaman wrote: I've been thinking alot about how to introduce not only my kids, but some of our cataloging/technical staff to thinking programmatically or computationally[1] or whatever you want to call it. Do you

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread Jason Stirnaman
] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?) On 2/18/13 12:53 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: On 2/18/2013 2:04 PM, Jason Stirnaman wrote: I've been thinking alot about how to introduce not only my kids, but some of our cataloging/technical staff

Re: [CODE4LIB] Getting started with Ruby and library-ish data (was RE: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?)

2013-02-18 Thread James Stuart
As far as python goes, this has a quick sense of pacing, and has a lot of interactive exercises, while building something pretty useful in the end. https://www.udacity.com/ (CS101) It goes into a little bit more theory then I think is useful for some folks, but it's still a great resource. On

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-17 Thread John Fereira
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? BTW, I think perl gets the short shrift as a utility language. People hate it because it's ugly, but for data manipulation and analysis, it's very practical.

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-17 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:43 AM, John Fereira wrote: I have been writing software professionally since around 1980 and first encounterd perl in the early 1990s of so and have *always* disliked it. Last year I had to work on a project that was mostly developed in perl and it reminded me how

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Kyle Banerjee
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Jason Griffey grif...@gmail.com wrote: The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people have absolutely no clue how code translates into instructions for the magic glowing screen they look at all day. Even a tiny bit of empowerment in that arena can make huge

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Jason Griffey grif...@gmail.com wrote: The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people have absolutely no clue how code translates into instructions for the magic glowing screen they look at all day. Even a

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Lin, Kun
. So what am I? On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Jason Griffey grif...@gmail.com wrote: The vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people have absolutely no clue how code translates into instructions for the magic glowing screen they look at all

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Andromeda Yelton
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.govwrote: Last year, we targeted the beginner's track as a sort of 'Perl as a second language', assuming that you already knew the basic concepts of programming (what's a variable, an array, a function, etc.) Would it be

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Chris Gray
I would suggest any attempt to teach people to code should begin with Software Carpentry http://www.software-carpentry.org/about/90seconds.html. An important point here is that there are many misconceptions about programing and teaching that won't stand up to empirical investigation.

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Lin, Kun wrote: Wow, Interesting. But I am not fun of Perl. Is there other workshop? I don't know of any full workshops in the area, but there are plenty of monthly or semi-monthly meetings of different groups: Python: http://dcpython.org/ R :

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Medina-Smith, Andrea
- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Joe Hourcle Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:59 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:40 AM

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Lin, Kun
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? I would suggest any attempt to teach people to code should begin with Software Carpentry http://www.software-carpentry.org/about/90seconds.html. An important point here is that there are many misconceptions about programing and teaching

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Lin, Kun
: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:31 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Lin, Kun wrote: Wow, Interesting. But I am not fun of Perl. Is there other workshop? I don't know of any full workshops in the area

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Diane Hillmann
Folks: This 'everybody-should-learn-to-code' theme has gone around the block so many times it's amazing that it still has legs. And I still don't buy it (this was part of my keynote at C4L two years ago). I'm all for people learning to code if they want to and think it will help them. But it

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Chad Nelson
Kyle, Along those lines, I'd say the first place I started learning to be a coder was writing Excel functions. It was where I learned, in a very basic way, the ideas of looping through a set, defining and using variables and constants, etc. The first time I successfully completed an hours worth

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Chris Gray
Yes. Exactly. It's like saying you can't go to the doctor or hire a lawyer without a bit of medical or law school. Doctors and lawyers need to be able to explain what they're doing. Another skill that would be useful is understanding databases, by which I do not mean learning SQL. Too

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Karen Coyle
Adding to what Chad says, most folks I know who work in offices that have some of their functions in a computing environment (and that includes libraries) get their first taste of programming by learning how to use the macro language for whatever software supports their job. Building on that

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Kyle Banerjee
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:59 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov wrote: Last year, we targeted the beginner's track as a sort of 'Perl as a second language', assuming that you already knew the basic concepts of programming (what's a variable, an array, a function, etc.) Would it

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Alison Hitchens
Hi all To follow-up on some of the threads about what to learn and where and when... As a non-coder cataloguer I've found it useful to take advantage of our Lynda.com accounts here and take a few courses to fill out my understanding of what coders are doing and also to understand some concepts

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Abigail Goben
I'm so glad to be seeing this conversation happening. As we're considering what things need to be taught and where and by whom, I hope LITA can be a part of this as well. I'm currently a member of the LITA Education Committee and Cody Hanson is our LITA Board liaison. We're very interested

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Feb 15, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Diane Hillmann metadata.ma...@gmail.comwrote: I'm all for people learning to code if they want to and think it will help them. But it isn't the only thing library people need to know, and in fact, the other

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-15 Thread Tom Keays
Nice start on a list. I added the directory links to the wiki page for new coders. I bet there are more that could be added. http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/One_recommended_tool/resource_for_n00bs#Meetups_and_User_Groups On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Joe Hourcle

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Devon
If you want to call yourself a librarian, just do it. There's no pope of librarianship to tell you otherwise. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Maccabee Levine levi...@uwosh.edu wrote: Andromeda's talk this afternoon really struck a chord, as I shared with her afterwards, because I have the

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Michele R Combs
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? If you want to call yourself a librarian, just do it. There's no pope of librarianship to tell you otherwise. On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Maccabee Levine levi...@uwosh.edu wrote: Andromeda's talk

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Feb 14, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: EVERYONE should know some code. see: http://laboratorium.net/archive/2013/01/16/my_career_as_a_bulk_downloader But it's hard to find the classes that teach coding for everyone. This would be a good thing for c4l'ers to do in their

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Jason Griffey
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov wrote: Two, 'coding' is a relatively minor skill. It's like putting 'typist' as a job title, because you use your keyboard a lot at work. Figuring out what needs to be written/typed/coded is more important than the

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Cary Gordon
Good points. One could make the argument that reductive logic is a core skill for both coders and librarians. Thanks, Cary On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Jason Griffey grif...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov wrote: Two,

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Notess, Mark H
I usually say I am a technologist. Even though I used to be a software engineer (in industry, where it occasionally resembled engineering, for better and worse), as a manager I don't look at or write much code any more, but I am still a technologist. And in some contexts I claim to be a user

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Mark Bussey
Or systems thinking - I'm a coder and one of my primary mentors was a librarian. We share more passions than differences - about information, structure, pattern, detail - and about making libraries better for everyone. - Mark Mark Bussey Data Curation Experts m...@curationexperts.com

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Cornel Darden Jr.
Hello, It now seems that the Librarian of Congress is the Pope of Librarianship Thanks, Cornel Darden Jr. MSLIS Librarian Kennedy-King College City Colleges of Chicago Work 773-602-5449 Cell 708-705-2945 On Feb 14, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Devon dec...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to call yourself

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Dave Caroline
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, It now seems that the Librarian of Congress is the Pope of Librarianship methinks not as the Bodleian predates the LoC by a small amount :) http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/bodley/about/history Dave

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread David South
for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Maccabee Levine Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:23 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? Andromeda's talk this afternoon really struck a chord, as I shared with her afterwards, because I have

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Forrest, Stuart
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:11 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? Even though I did not attend the conference, I have had this same conversation many times with people trying to describe what I do.Systems Specialist (my actual job

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Andreas Orphanides
Nuh-uh, remember that whole Reformation thing? On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. corneldarde...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, It now seems that the Librarian of Congress is the Pope of

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013, Jason Griffey wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Joe Hourcle onei...@grace.nascom.nasa.gov wrote: Two, 'coding' is a relatively minor skill. It's like putting 'typist' as a job title, because you use your keyboard a lot at work. Figuring out what needs to be

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-14 Thread Simon Spero
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Andreas Orphanides akorp...@ncsu.eduwrote: Nuh-uh, remember that whole Reformation thing? You nailed *what* to the door?

[CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-13 Thread Maccabee Levine
Andromeda's talk this afternoon really struck a chord, as I shared with her afterwards, because I have the same issue from the other side of the fence. I'm among the 1/3 of the crowd today with a CS degree and and IT background (and no MLS). I've worked in libraries for years, but when I have a

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-13 Thread Kyle Banerjee
I just say I work in libraries -- that describes anyone with or without the degree. It's not as concise, but it conveys the right idea. I see no reason to preface anything you say with what you don't have. If people require your resume to decide if your ideas are any good, it's just not a good

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-13 Thread Shirley Lincicum
I'm not in Chicago, and I didn't see this talk, so maybe I'm way off base, but isn't a coder a programmer, or even a software engineer? Last time I checked, programmer/software engineer is a clear, well-established and well-respected occupation (and generally far better paid than most Librarians,

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-13 Thread Cornel Darden Jr.
Hello, I think all Librarians should know some code. What ever happened to the polymath distinction that came along with the territory, for librarians. And now that information science has been included, along with an information environment that will be dominated by everything digital; how

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-13 Thread Jason Griffey
Shirley, I would hesitantly call myself a coder. I would _never_ call myself a software engineer. I am also a librarian. I think what Andromeda was probably arguing (not that I would deign to put words in her mouth) was that we should get over our imposter syndrome and stand up for our skills.

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-13 Thread Peter Schlumpf
-Original Message- From: Jason Griffey grif...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 13, 2013 8:44 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I? Shirley, I would hesitantly call myself a coder. I would _never_ call myself a software engineer. I am also a librarian. I

Re: [CODE4LIB] You *are* a coder. So what am I?

2013-02-13 Thread Owen Stephens
Shambrarian: Someone who knows enough truth about how libraries really work, but not enough to go insane or be qualified as a real librarian. (See more at http://m.urbandictionary.com/#define?term=Shambrarian) More information available at http://shambrarian.org/ And Dave Pattern has published