Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib g+ hangouts
"Ya'aqov Ziso" > *... IRC is pretty accessible and open and not under the control of one > private-sector corporation. I'm somewhat disappointed that g+ is being > adopted so uncritically * > *=* > all in step with disclosing our ideas to OCLC Inc. Tee-hee! Now that's a bit different: OCLC is at least theoretically governed by the libraries that use it. Users don't own g+. Sadly, as seems to happen in many co-ops, it seems to me like only a few OCLC members get to exercise full democratic power because the libraries, archives and museums elect regional councils that elect another council that elect the trustees. The decision-making seems a bit too far from the grassroots, a democratic deficit. BUT the input of the councils and the membership is on the agenda for the upcoming global council meeting next month http://www.oclc.org/uk/en/councils/global/meetings/default.htm so do you think something that might be about to change? As a member of another co-op in the library space, I live in hope! -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and LMS developer, statistician. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for Koha work http://www.software.coop/products/koha
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib g+ hangouts
*... IRC is pretty accessible and open and not under the control of one private-sector corporation. I'm somewhat disappointed that g+ is being adopted so uncritically * *=* all in step with disclosing our ideas to OCLC Inc.
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib g+ hangouts
Jonathan Rochkind > Many of us have been using the IRC channel for just this purpose for > years, and anyone is welcome to. Personally, I still haven't used g+, > and don't know when/if I will, I'm overwhelmed with internet already! Also, IRC is pretty accessible and open and not under the control of one private-sector corporation. I'm somewhat disappointed that g+ is being adopted so uncritically. Has faceblocking not taught the library world anything yet? Anyone got handy tips for diaspora or friendika, by the way? Thanks, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and LMS developer, statistician. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for Koha work http://www.software.coop/products/koha
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib g+ hangouts
Le lundi 17 octobre 2011 à 12:13 -0400, Jonathan Rochkind a écrit : > Other ways to bring something to the attention of the Code4Lib community: > > * Post it on a blog that's included in Planet Code4lib. (Ask me to > include a new blog on Planet Code4lib if you have one that should be but > isn't). > > * Submit it as an article to the Code4Lib Journal. If you think your > thing isn't sophisticated enough to be in the Journal -- that probably > just means it should be a very short article! If it's interesting enough > to share with the community, it might belong in the Journal, although > the length of the article should ideally be proportional to how > complicated or "significant" it is. > In my opinion, what is interesting in Diana's proposition is that sharing experience and screen is quite easy... In an article, well, not so, unless you screencast what you did. And in that case, you miss interaction. I am not saying that I would come to any hang out or even that I would come to one, but I think that the idea has some advantages. Major drawback : - can't drink a beer with one another in a cool place :D - can't really pair on the subject unless you have a screen open. But I agree that the IRC, blog posts, and journal articles should not be put aside. > On 10/16/2011 10:58 PM, Birkin James Diana wrote: > > (I posted this recently on g+, and a few folk pointed out that it'd make > > sense to post it here.) > > > > The other day Ted Lawless, a fellow programmer, called me over to show me > > some cool features he had added to the terrific new library search > > interface he's been working on. I wanted the code4lib community to see some > > of this great work, and remembered something Roy Tennant did a while ago. > > > > Roy had posted to g+ that he was working on something, and that he was > > going to set up a g+ hangout at a specified day& time to discuss that work > > with anyone interested. I and a co-worker working on similar stuff joined > > that hangout with a few other people, and it was a good experience. > > > > I think the growth of code4libcon, and of regional code4lib unconferences, > > is in part an indication that our community is loaded with passionate > > programmers who love learning how others create interesting useful things. > > > > With that in mind, it's made me think more of us should follow in Roy's > > footsteps: post a message to the c4l list about a success or investigation, > > and give a date&time of a g+ hangout to talk about it and show some > > under-the-hood code. This is sort of along the lines of Peter Murray's > > experimental webinar-based code4lib gathering some months ago, but more > > spontaneous and decentralized. Some of the 'showing' part might require a > > coworker to join the hangout to aim a phone or laptop camera at a screen, > > but it'd be an interesting experiment. > > > > --- > > Birkin James Diana > > Programmer, Digital Technologies > > Brown University Library > > birkin_di...@brown.edu > > -- Henri-Damien LAURENT BibLibre
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib g+ hangouts
Also, what, you guys have defected from the IRC channel to g+? Is that why we never see you in IRC anymore, Roy? We miss you! Many of us have been using the IRC channel for just this purpose for years, and anyone is welcome to. Personally, I still haven't used g+, and don't know when/if I will, I'm overwhelmed with internet already! On 10/16/2011 11:38 PM, Roy Tennant wrote: I just want to chime in and say that it was a positive experience for me as well -- I got more pairs of eyes on what I was doing, and an opportunity to get some feedback on something that wasn't ready for publication or more formal feedback methods. Kind of like "Am I on the right track?" or "Can you see any downsides I'm not seeing?" kinds of feedback which can be invaluable as you're in the middle of a project. I would encourage more of this kind of mid-project and/or simply informal sharing. It plays well with the open source meme that "given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow". Roy On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Birkin James Diana wrote: (I posted this recently on g+, and a few folk pointed out that it'd make sense to post it here.) The other day Ted Lawless, a fellow programmer, called me over to show me some cool features he had added to the terrific new library search interface he's been working on. I wanted the code4lib community to see some of this great work, and remembered something Roy Tennant did a while ago. Roy had posted to g+ that he was working on something, and that he was going to set up a g+ hangout at a specified day& time to discuss that work with anyone interested. I and a co-worker working on similar stuff joined that hangout with a few other people, and it was a good experience. I think the growth of code4libcon, and of regional code4lib unconferences, is in part an indication that our community is loaded with passionate programmers who love learning how others create interesting useful things. With that in mind, it's made me think more of us should follow in Roy's footsteps: post a message to the c4l list about a success or investigation, and give a date&time of a g+ hangout to talk about it and show some under-the-hood code. This is sort of along the lines of Peter Murray's experimental webinar-based code4lib gathering some months ago, but more spontaneous and decentralized. Some of the 'showing' part might require a coworker to join the hangout to aim a phone or laptop camera at a screen, but it'd be an interesting experiment. --- Birkin James Diana Programmer, Digital Technologies Brown University Library birkin_di...@brown.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib g+ hangouts
Other ways to bring something to the attention of the Code4Lib community: * Post it on a blog that's included in Planet Code4lib. (Ask me to include a new blog on Planet Code4lib if you have one that should be but isn't). * Submit it as an article to the Code4Lib Journal. If you think your thing isn't sophisticated enough to be in the Journal -- that probably just means it should be a very short article! If it's interesting enough to share with the community, it might belong in the Journal, although the length of the article should ideally be proportional to how complicated or "significant" it is. On 10/16/2011 10:58 PM, Birkin James Diana wrote: (I posted this recently on g+, and a few folk pointed out that it'd make sense to post it here.) The other day Ted Lawless, a fellow programmer, called me over to show me some cool features he had added to the terrific new library search interface he's been working on. I wanted the code4lib community to see some of this great work, and remembered something Roy Tennant did a while ago. Roy had posted to g+ that he was working on something, and that he was going to set up a g+ hangout at a specified day& time to discuss that work with anyone interested. I and a co-worker working on similar stuff joined that hangout with a few other people, and it was a good experience. I think the growth of code4libcon, and of regional code4lib unconferences, is in part an indication that our community is loaded with passionate programmers who love learning how others create interesting useful things. With that in mind, it's made me think more of us should follow in Roy's footsteps: post a message to the c4l list about a success or investigation, and give a date&time of a g+ hangout to talk about it and show some under-the-hood code. This is sort of along the lines of Peter Murray's experimental webinar-based code4lib gathering some months ago, but more spontaneous and decentralized. Some of the 'showing' part might require a coworker to join the hangout to aim a phone or laptop camera at a screen, but it'd be an interesting experiment. --- Birkin James Diana Programmer, Digital Technologies Brown University Library birkin_di...@brown.edu
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib g+ hangouts
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Birkin James Diana wrote: > Some of the 'showing' part might require a coworker to join the hangout to > aim a phone or laptop camera at a screen, but it'd be an interesting > experiment. The new "extended features" hangout now gives you the ability to share the screen as well. So, you might not even need to aim a laptop camera at the screen. I haven't fully tested it, though, so am not sure what its limits are... something to experiment with perhaps. Kevin
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib g+ hangouts
I just want to chime in and say that it was a positive experience for me as well -- I got more pairs of eyes on what I was doing, and an opportunity to get some feedback on something that wasn't ready for publication or more formal feedback methods. Kind of like "Am I on the right track?" or "Can you see any downsides I'm not seeing?" kinds of feedback which can be invaluable as you're in the middle of a project. I would encourage more of this kind of mid-project and/or simply informal sharing. It plays well with the open source meme that "given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow". Roy On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Birkin James Diana wrote: > (I posted this recently on g+, and a few folk pointed out that it'd make > sense to post it here.) > > The other day Ted Lawless, a fellow programmer, called me over to show me > some cool features he had added to the terrific new library search interface > he's been working on. I wanted the code4lib community to see some of this > great work, and remembered something Roy Tennant did a while ago. > > Roy had posted to g+ that he was working on something, and that he was going > to set up a g+ hangout at a specified day & time to discuss that work with > anyone interested. I and a co-worker working on similar stuff joined that > hangout with a few other people, and it was a good experience. > > I think the growth of code4libcon, and of regional code4lib unconferences, is > in part an indication that our community is loaded with passionate > programmers who love learning how others create interesting useful things. > > With that in mind, it's made me think more of us should follow in Roy's > footsteps: post a message to the c4l list about a success or investigation, > and give a date&time of a g+ hangout to talk about it and show some > under-the-hood code. This is sort of along the lines of Peter Murray's > experimental webinar-based code4lib gathering some months ago, but more > spontaneous and decentralized. Some of the 'showing' part might require a > coworker to join the hangout to aim a phone or laptop camera at a screen, but > it'd be an interesting experiment. > > --- > Birkin James Diana > Programmer, Digital Technologies > Brown University Library > birkin_di...@brown.edu >
[CODE4LIB] code4lib g+ hangouts
(I posted this recently on g+, and a few folk pointed out that it'd make sense to post it here.) The other day Ted Lawless, a fellow programmer, called me over to show me some cool features he had added to the terrific new library search interface he's been working on. I wanted the code4lib community to see some of this great work, and remembered something Roy Tennant did a while ago. Roy had posted to g+ that he was working on something, and that he was going to set up a g+ hangout at a specified day & time to discuss that work with anyone interested. I and a co-worker working on similar stuff joined that hangout with a few other people, and it was a good experience. I think the growth of code4libcon, and of regional code4lib unconferences, is in part an indication that our community is loaded with passionate programmers who love learning how others create interesting useful things. With that in mind, it's made me think more of us should follow in Roy's footsteps: post a message to the c4l list about a success or investigation, and give a date&time of a g+ hangout to talk about it and show some under-the-hood code. This is sort of along the lines of Peter Murray's experimental webinar-based code4lib gathering some months ago, but more spontaneous and decentralized. Some of the 'showing' part might require a coworker to join the hangout to aim a phone or laptop camera at a screen, but it'd be an interesting experiment. --- Birkin James Diana Programmer, Digital Technologies Brown University Library birkin_di...@brown.edu
