[CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
+1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
+1 OSU edsu++ @swill edsu -nruest On 12-12-18 04:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: +1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
++ On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Nick Ruest rue...@gmail.com wrote: +1 OSU edsu++ @swill edsu -nruest On 12-12-18 04:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: +1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
+1 for the plan edsu++ for domain stewardship. Peter On Dec 18, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed -- Peter Murray Assistant Director, Technology Services Development LYRASIS peter.mur...@lyrasis.org +1 678-235-2955 1438 West Peachtree Street NW Suite 200 Atlanta, GA 30309 Toll Free: 800.999.8558 Fax: 404.892.7879 www.lyrasis.org LYRASIS: Great Libraries. Strong Communities. Innovative Answers.
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
I'm for individual ownership and management over organizational. Organizations tend to not have written documentation, and to rely on institutional memory. I see two things going wrong: Contact at OSU leaves OSU and no one thinks to renew domain, or OSU doesn't have a dedicated contact and at some point they don't renew because they don't see the value. Also important: OSU is on state funding cycles, so may have some rule against renewing for more than a year at a time. So, the deadline to renew will come more frequently than it would with unrestricted funds and the ability to renew for 5 or 10 years at a time. When the domain expires, it will go into a redemption period of about a month. I remember what the whois record looks like for domains in the redemption period, and whois does give the contact information. Does the URL stop working during this period? If so, then that's great because if there is a problem with a renewal then many people will notice the URL not working, and be able to check the status of the domain and get on it. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
I definitely see what you're saying, but think there are pro's and con's both ways. OSU is already responsible for the bulk of our infrastructure too, adding the DNS would be minor. But there are definitely pro's (as well as con's) to individual and/or non-institutional ownership/responsibility/management, compared to institutional. In the end, as with much Code4Lib, as with much volunteer projects -- what it comes down to is who's offering to volunteer to do it. OSU is offering to volunteer to do it (and pay for it, apparently?), and we obviously find OSU to be generally responsible, since they host the rest of our infrastructure. Someone offering to do it right now, someone we find generally responsible -- always beats the hypothetical other solution that has nobody actually volunteering to do it. So, Wilhelmina, are you volunteering to run the DNS instead? :) (and pay for it, or fundraise to pay for it) If you are, then we might have two options. Otherwise, we've got one, and no reason to reject it unless we thought OSU was not trustworthy with the responsibility or something (which if we did, would be a big problem, since they already responsible for a lot more than that). On 12/18/2012 4:34 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: I'm for individual ownership and management over organizational. Organizations tend to not have written documentation, and to rely on institutional memory. I see two things going wrong: Contact at OSU leaves OSU and no one thinks to renew domain, or OSU doesn't have a dedicated contact and at some point they don't renew because they don't see the value. Also important: OSU is on state funding cycles, so may have some rule against renewing for more than a year at a time. So, the deadline to renew will come more frequently than it would with unrestricted funds and the ability to renew for 5 or 10 years at a time. When the domain expires, it will go into a redemption period of about a month. I remember what the whois record looks like for domains in the redemption period, and whois does give the contact information. Does the URL stop working during this period? If so, then that's great because if there is a problem with a renewal then many people will notice the URL not working, and be able to check the status of the domain and get on it. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
Pay for it shouldn't be an issue. It's like $10 a year to register the domain, right? So, don't make a big deal out of OSU paying for it. The fee is negligible. The key concern is how committed to OSU is Ryan Ordway, and what's the climate there like. I see this as transferring to the people who are currently technical contacts at OSU, not to a faceless organization. If they already hold several other URLs, and have a policy and timeframe for tracking and renewing these then that's a plus. Also, I asked before, and I'm going to ask again, will the domain stop working (so stop pointing at nameservers) during the redemption period? If so, then a worst case scenario is not too bad, because there will be some warning and a late fee assuming the registered owner can be contacted, rather than just loosing the domain if the bill isn't paid. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I definitely see what you're saying, but think there are pro's and con's both ways. OSU is already responsible for the bulk of our infrastructure too, adding the DNS would be minor. But there are definitely pro's (as well as con's) to individual and/or non-institutional ownership/responsibility/**management, compared to institutional. In the end, as with much Code4Lib, as with much volunteer projects -- what it comes down to is who's offering to volunteer to do it. OSU is offering to volunteer to do it (and pay for it, apparently?), and we obviously find OSU to be generally responsible, since they host the rest of our infrastructure. Someone offering to do it right now, someone we find generally responsible -- always beats the hypothetical other solution that has nobody actually volunteering to do it. So, Wilhelmina, are you volunteering to run the DNS instead? :) (and pay for it, or fundraise to pay for it) If you are, then we might have two options. Otherwise, we've got one, and no reason to reject it unless we thought OSU was not trustworthy with the responsibility or something (which if we did, would be a big problem, since they already responsible for a lot more than that). On 12/18/2012 4:34 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: I'm for individual ownership and management over organizational. Organizations tend to not have written documentation, and to rely on institutional memory. I see two things going wrong: Contact at OSU leaves OSU and no one thinks to renew domain, or OSU doesn't have a dedicated contact and at some point they don't renew because they don't see the value. Also important: OSU is on state funding cycles, so may have some rule against renewing for more than a year at a time. So, the deadline to renew will come more frequently than it would with unrestricted funds and the ability to renew for 5 or 10 years at a time. When the domain expires, it will go into a redemption period of about a month. I remember what the whois record looks like for domains in the redemption period, and whois does give the contact information. Does the URL stop working during this period? If so, then that's great because if there is a problem with a renewal then many people will notice the URL not working, and be able to check the status of the domain and get on it. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
Wilhelmina, To answer your two questions. 1) yes, during the 30 day expiration period when registration lapses your site will typically become unavailable 2) this isn't just about one person at OSU. Ryan Ordway is our sys admin, but c4l is supported by a number of folks at the institution in various capacities...up to the director. Were Ryan to leave, the process for maintaining the infrastructure would simply fall to someone else at the Library. Tr * Terry Reese, Associate Professor Gray Family Chair for Innovative Library Services 121 Valley Library Corvallis, OR 97331 541.737.6384 From: Wilhelmina Randtke Sent: 12/18/2012 2:00 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain Pay for it shouldn't be an issue. It's like $10 a year to register the domain, right? So, don't make a big deal out of OSU paying for it. The fee is negligible. The key concern is how committed to OSU is Ryan Ordway, and what's the climate there like. I see this as transferring to the people who are currently technical contacts at OSU, not to a faceless organization. If they already hold several other URLs, and have a policy and timeframe for tracking and renewing these then that's a plus. Also, I asked before, and I'm going to ask again, will the domain stop working (so stop pointing at nameservers) during the redemption period? If so, then a worst case scenario is not too bad, because there will be some warning and a late fee assuming the registered owner can be contacted, rather than just loosing the domain if the bill isn't paid. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I definitely see what you're saying, but think there are pro's and con's both ways. OSU is already responsible for the bulk of our infrastructure too, adding the DNS would be minor. But there are definitely pro's (as well as con's) to individual and/or non-institutional ownership/responsibility/**management, compared to institutional. In the end, as with much Code4Lib, as with much volunteer projects -- what it comes down to is who's offering to volunteer to do it. OSU is offering to volunteer to do it (and pay for it, apparently?), and we obviously find OSU to be generally responsible, since they host the rest of our infrastructure. Someone offering to do it right now, someone we find generally responsible -- always beats the hypothetical other solution that has nobody actually volunteering to do it. So, Wilhelmina, are you volunteering to run the DNS instead? :) (and pay for it, or fundraise to pay for it) If you are, then we might have two options. Otherwise, we've got one, and no reason to reject it unless we thought OSU was not trustworthy with the responsibility or something (which if we did, would be a big problem, since they already responsible for a lot more than that). On 12/18/2012 4:34 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote: I'm for individual ownership and management over organizational. Organizations tend to not have written documentation, and to rely on institutional memory. I see two things going wrong: Contact at OSU leaves OSU and no one thinks to renew domain, or OSU doesn't have a dedicated contact and at some point they don't renew because they don't see the value. Also important: OSU is on state funding cycles, so may have some rule against renewing for more than a year at a time. So, the deadline to renew will come more frequently than it would with unrestricted funds and the ability to renew for 5 or 10 years at a time. When the domain expires, it will go into a redemption period of about a month. I remember what the whois record looks like for domains in the redemption period, and whois does give the contact information. Does the URL stop working during this period? If so, then that's great because if there is a problem with a renewal then many people will notice the URL not working, and be able to check the status of the domain and get on it. -Wilhelmina Randtke On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke rand...@gmail.com wrote: Pay for it shouldn't be an issue. It's like $10 a year to register the domain, right? So, don't make a big deal out of OSU paying for it. The fee is negligible. Yes, it's not so much a matter of money as it is remembering to pay it :-) The key concern is how committed to OSU is Ryan Ordway, and what's the climate there like. I see this as transferring to the people who are currently technical contacts at OSU, not to a faceless organization. If they already hold several other URLs, and have a policy and timeframe for tracking and renewing these then that's a plus. OSU is committed enough to have a Domain Name Committee to evaluate these matters, which accepted the proposal to host code4lib.org. The first code4lib conference was held at OSU, and there are several active long time OSU folks who have helped create the code4lib community...so it's not as if there's no connection between the organization and this community. I am not disagreeing with your assessment about individual vs organizational ownership. But I am saying I don't want to be that individual anymore, and that OSU is the best option for not letting the domain lapse. //Ed
Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain
+1 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Nick Ruest Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:19 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib.org domain +1 OSU edsu++ @swill edsu -nruest On 12-12-18 04:16 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: +1 for OSU and thanks, Ed, for managing it for all these years! Kevin On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: HI all, I've owned the code4lib.org since 2005 and have been thinking it might be wise for to transfer ownership of it to someone else. Sometimes I forget to pay bills, and miss emails, and it seems like the domain means something to a larger group of people. With Ryan Ordway's help Oregon State University indicated they would be willing to take over administration of the domain. They also have been responsible for running the Drupal instance at code4lib.org and the Mediawiki instance at wiki.code4lib.org -- so it seems like a logical move. But I thought I would bring it up here first in the interests of transparency, community building and whatnot, to see if there were any objections or ideas. //Ed
