Re: [CODE4LIB] google books and OCLC numbers
Godmar, Thank you for answering some of my questions (and I apologize for asking anything that was more pertinent to an off-list discussion). I didn't realize that the addison.vt.edu:2082 demo site was only showing "partial view" links. I had assumed, wrongly, that it was perhaps only excluding "metadata view" and "no view" instances. That said, I do think it's a very elegant implementation of the GBS Viewability API into a locked-down OPAC, and I'd like to see it implemented at my library as well (or at least any implementation of a Google, LibraryThing, or OpenLibrary API). Also, I apparently haven't looked at the Viewability API enough, but you did teach me something else by providing those examples. I should've explicitly said, too, that I was *not* doing a GBS search for "oclc01052228" (and I just tried that to see what would happen, and it does return the book, but the lone result is for page 52, an illustrated page...?). I was, instead, using one of the basic viewability API examples provided by Google, simply adding "oclc" to any of my requests (I don't have a background in computer science, so I was just playing around in order to test the rate of inclusion/recall in GBS for a local set of books). According to the API callback, it seems then that the reason that I am finding the full view for this book is because it has 3 bib numbers (or bib keys) attached to its oclc number. So, in addition to the two links that you included, this link also works (but not because [I don't think] that string appears in the hidden metadata) http://books.google.com/books?jscmd=viewapi&bibkeys=OCLC01052228&callbac k=X So, "bib_key":"OCLC01052228" "bib_key":"OCLC:01052228" "bib_key":"OCLC:1052228" But not: "bib_key":"OCLC1052228" Is that right, or am I still missing something? Mark Custer -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godmar Back Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] google books and OCLC numbers Mark, I'll answer this one on list, but let's take discussion that is specifically related to GBS classes off-list since you're asking questions about this particular software --- I had sent the first email to Code4Lib because I felt that our method of integrating the Google Book viewability API into III Millennium in a clean way was worth sharing with the community. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Custer, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Slide 4 in that PowerPoint mentions something about a "small set of > Google Book Search information", but is also says that the items are > indexed by ISBN, OCLC#, and LCCN. And yet, during the admittedly brief > time that I tried out this really nice demo, I was unable to find any > links to books that were available in "full view", which made me wonder > if any of the search results were searching GBS with their respective > OCLC #s (and not just ISBNs, if available). GBS searches by whatever you tell it: ISBN, OCLC, *OR* LCCN. Not all of them. > > For example, if I use the demo site that's provided and search for "mark > twain" and limit my results to publication dates of, say, 1860-1910, I > don't receive a single GBS link. So I checked to see if "Eve's Diary" > was in GBS and, of course, it was... and then I made sure that the copy > I found in the demo had the same OCLC# as the one in GBS; and it was. > So, is this a feature that will be added later, or is it just that the > entire set of bib records available at the demo site are not included in > the GBS aspect of the demo? By "demo site" provided, do you mean addison.vt.edu:2082? Remember that in this demo, the link is only displayed if Google has a partial view, and *not* if Google has full text or no view. It's my understanding that Twain's books are past copyright, so Google has fully scanned them and they are available as full text. If you take that into account, Eve's Diary (OCLC# 01052228) works fine. I added it at the bottom of http://libx.org/gbs/tests.html To search for this book by OCLC, you'd use this span: Eve's Diary which links to the full text version. Note that --- interestingly --- Google does not appear to have a thumbnail for this book's cover. > > Secondly, I have another question which I hope that someone can clear up > for me. Again, I'll use this copy of "Eve's Diary" as an example, which > has an OCLC number of 01052228. Now, if you search worldcat.org (using > the advance search, basic search, of even adding things like "oclc:" > before the number), t
Re: [CODE4LIB] google books and OCLC numbers
Mark, I'll answer this one on list, but let's take discussion that is specifically related to GBS classes off-list since you're asking questions about this particular software --- I had sent the first email to Code4Lib because I felt that our method of integrating the Google Book viewability API into III Millennium in a clean way was worth sharing with the community. On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Custer, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Slide 4 in that PowerPoint mentions something about a "small set of > Google Book Search information", but is also says that the items are > indexed by ISBN, OCLC#, and LCCN. And yet, during the admittedly brief > time that I tried out this really nice demo, I was unable to find any > links to books that were available in "full view", which made me wonder > if any of the search results were searching GBS with their respective > OCLC #s (and not just ISBNs, if available). GBS searches by whatever you tell it: ISBN, OCLC, *OR* LCCN. Not all of them. > > For example, if I use the demo site that's provided and search for "mark > twain" and limit my results to publication dates of, say, 1860-1910, I > don't receive a single GBS link. So I checked to see if "Eve's Diary" > was in GBS and, of course, it was... and then I made sure that the copy > I found in the demo had the same OCLC# as the one in GBS; and it was. > So, is this a feature that will be added later, or is it just that the > entire set of bib records available at the demo site are not included in > the GBS aspect of the demo? By "demo site" provided, do you mean addison.vt.edu:2082? Remember that in this demo, the link is only displayed if Google has a partial view, and *not* if Google has full text or no view. It's my understanding that Twain's books are past copyright, so Google has fully scanned them and they are available as full text. If you take that into account, Eve's Diary (OCLC# 01052228) works fine. I added it at the bottom of http://libx.org/gbs/tests.html To search for this book by OCLC, you'd use this span: Eve's Diary which links to the full text version. Note that --- interestingly --- Google does not appear to have a thumbnail for this book's cover. > > Secondly, I have another question which I hope that someone can clear up > for me. Again, I'll use this copy of "Eve's Diary" as an example, which > has an OCLC number of 01052228. Now, if you search worldcat.org (using > the advance search, basic search, of even adding things like "oclc:" > before the number), the only way that I can access this item is to > search for "1052228" (removing the leading zero). And this is exactly > how the OCLC number displays in the metadata record, directly below the > field that states that there are 18 editions of this work. > > All of that said, I can still access the book with either of these URLs: > > http://worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/1052228 > http://worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/01052228 > > Now, I could've sworn that GBS followed a similar route, and so, I > previously searched it for OCLC numbers by removing any leading zeroes. > As of at least today, though, the only way for me to access this book > via GBS is to use the OCLC number as it appears in the MARC record... > that is, by searching for "oclc01052228". > > Has anyone else noticed this change in GBS (though it's quite possible > that I'm simply mistaken)? And could anyone inform me about the > technical details of any of these issues? I mean, I get that worldcat > has to also deal with ISSNs, but is there a way to use the search box to > explicitly declare what type of number the query is... and why would the > value need to have the any leading 0's removed in the metadata display > (especially since the URL method can access either)? > That's a question about the search interface accessed at books.google.com, not about the book viewability API. Those are two different services. The viewability API advertises that it supports OCLC: and LCCN: prefixes to search for OCLC and LCCN, respectively, in addition to ISBNs, and that works in your example, for instance, visit: http://books.google.com/books?jscmd=viewapi&bibkeys=OCLC:01052228&callback=X or http://books.google.com/books?jscmd=viewapi&bibkeys=OCLC:1052228&callback=X The books.google.com search interface doesn't advertise the ability to search by OCLC number --- the only reason you are successful with searching for OCLC01052228 is because this string happens to occur somewhere in this book's metadata description, and Google has the full content of the metadata descriptions indexed like it indexed webpages. Take also a look at the advanced search interface at: http://books.google.com/advanced_book_search You'll find no support for OCLC or LCCN. It does show, however, than isbn: can be used to search for ISBNs, in the style prefixes can be used in other search interfaces. - Godmar
Re: [CODE4LIB] google books and OCLC numbers
Slide 4 in that PowerPoint mentions something about a "small set of Google Book Search information", but is also says that the items are indexed by ISBN, OCLC#, and LCCN. And yet, during the admittedly brief time that I tried out this really nice demo, I was unable to find any links to books that were available in "full view", which made me wonder if any of the search results were searching GBS with their respective OCLC #s (and not just ISBNs, if available). For example, if I use the demo site that's provided and search for "mark twain" and limit my results to publication dates of, say, 1860-1910, I don't receive a single GBS link. So I checked to see if "Eve's Diary" was in GBS and, of course, it was... and then I made sure that the copy I found in the demo had the same OCLC# as the one in GBS; and it was. So, is this a feature that will be added later, or is it just that the entire set of bib records available at the demo site are not included in the GBS aspect of the demo? Secondly, I have another question which I hope that someone can clear up for me. Again, I'll use this copy of "Eve's Diary" as an example, which has an OCLC number of 01052228. Now, if you search worldcat.org (using the advance search, basic search, of even adding things like "oclc:" before the number), the only way that I can access this item is to search for "1052228" (removing the leading zero). And this is exactly how the OCLC number displays in the metadata record, directly below the field that states that there are 18 editions of this work. All of that said, I can still access the book with either of these URLs: http://worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/1052228 http://worldcat.org/wcpa/oclc/01052228 Now, I could've sworn that GBS followed a similar route, and so, I previously searched it for OCLC numbers by removing any leading zeroes. As of at least today, though, the only way for me to access this book via GBS is to use the OCLC number as it appears in the MARC record... that is, by searching for "oclc01052228". Has anyone else noticed this change in GBS (though it's quite possible that I'm simply mistaken)? And could anyone inform me about the technical details of any of these issues? I mean, I get that worldcat has to also deal with ISSNs, but is there a way to use the search box to explicitly declare what type of number the query is... and why would the value need to have the any leading 0's removed in the metadata display (especially since the URL method can access either)? Mark Custer -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godmar Back Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 5:40 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] google books for III millennium Hi, here's a pointer to follow up on the earlier discussion on how to integrate Google books viewability API into closed legacy systems that allow only limited control regarding what is being output, such as III's Millennium system. Compared to other solutions, no JavaScript programming is required, and the integration into the vendor-provided templates (such as briefcit.html etc.) is reasonably clean, provides targeted placement, and allows for multiple uses per page. Slides (excerpted from Annette Bailey's presentation at IUG 2008): http://libx.org/gbs/GBSExcerptFromIUGTalk2008.ppt A demo is currently available here: http://addison.vt.edu:2082/ - Godmar
