Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Thomas Krichel
Brett Bonfield writes I think Jonathan and Nicole nailed it with community health, I beg to differ. If you requiree a healthy community to start working with a piece of software, how do you want a grassroots project to start? Obviously a small project will start with one or two

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Nicole Engard
Thomas, That's why I added in 'user' to the community. If there is an active communication medium with one or two developers communicating with the user community than there is health there. So I always say to look at the developer user community to make sure it's active as one of the gauges of

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Something I tried to write about in my article in LJ, is, yes, every project needs to start somewhere. But you need to evaluate your own capacity, and compare that against the maturity of the software and the community. You need more internal capacity to deal with immature software with an

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Thomas Krichel wrote: Requiring an upfront healthy community is particurly problematic is a small community such as digital library work. On the other kind, there is widely adopted software that I got cajoled into maintaining, that consider bad. Apache is one of them.

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Ziso, Ya'aqov
A few lessons learned while monitoring the vuFIND community: Documentation needs to be evolving and accurate. Someone needs to OWN that responsibility and keep documentation up to date (and vuFIND are so lucky to have Demian Katz!). UNIX/man is not the best example for this. Developer

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Thomas Krichel
Nicole Engard writes That's why I added in 'user' to the community. No matter how many people use Apache based web sites, it does not make it Apache software better. Telling people to use what others are using is just simple propaganda to stifle competition. Cheers,

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Francis Kayiwa
On 12/29/09 7:40 AM, Thomas Krichel wrote: Brett Bonfield writes I think Jonathan and Nicole nailed it with community health, I beg to differ. If you requiree a healthy community to start working with a piece of software, how do you want a grassroots project to start? Obviously

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I think you may find yourself somewhat in the minority in thinking Apache is bad software. (I certainly have my complaints about it, but in general I find it more robust, flexible, and bug-free than just about any other software I work with). But aside from getting into a war about some

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Francis Kayiwa wrote: IMHO good open source software is driven by people with an itch to fix. The community develops and can be cultivated around this itch rather than world domination. The project _MUST_ well documented [0] ideally actively maintained. The support of this software will

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: I think you may find yourself somewhat in the minority in thinking Apache is bad software. (I certainly have my complaints about it, but in general I find it more robust, flexible, and bug-free than just about any other software I work with).

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Nicole Engard
I feel like I'm being misunderstood. I'm not saying if a lot of people use it it. must be good. I'm saying if there is 1 developer listening to his 1+ users in an open community forum (actual forum, mailing list, chat room, etc) then the product is healthier than the open source product with no

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Ziso, Ya'aqov
Telling people to use what others are using is just simple propaganda to stifle competition +++ Respectfully, inviting people to an open discussion is exactly the opposite of telling people and propaganda