[CODE4LIB] Unicode persistence (was: it's cool to hate on OpenURL)

2010-04-30 Thread Jakob Voss
Eric Hellman wrote: May I just add here that of all the things we've talked about in these threads, perhaps the only thing that will still be in use a hundred years from now will be Unicode. إن شاء الله Stuart Yeates wrote: Sadly, yes, I agree with you on this. Do you have any idea how

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL

2010-04-30 Thread Jakob Voss
Stuart Yeates wrote: A great deal of heat has been vented in this thread, and at least a little light. I'd like to invite everyone to contribute to the wikipedia page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenURL in the hopes that it evolves into a better overview of the protocol, the ecosystem

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL (was: Twitter annotations...)

2010-04-30 Thread Owen Stephens
Dead ends from OpenURL enabled hyperlinks aren't a result of the standard though, but rather an aspect of both the problem they are trying to solve, and the conceptual way they try to do this. I'd content these dead ends are an implementation issue - and despite this I have to say that my

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-30 Thread Owen Stephens
Alex, Could you expand on how you think the problem that OpenURL tackles would have been better approached with existing mechanisms? I'm not debating this necessarily, but from my perspective when OpenURL was first introduced it solved a real problem that I hadn't seen solved before. Owen On

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL

2010-04-30 Thread Thomas Berger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Jakob Voss schrieb: ... Am I right that neither OpenURL nor COinS strictly defines a metadata model with a set of entities/attributes/fields/you-name-it and their definition? Apparently all ContextObjects metadata formats are based on

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-30 Thread Owen Stephens
Tim, I'd vote for adopting the same approach as COinS on the basis it already has some level of adoption, and we know covers at least some of the stuff libraries and academic users (as used by both libraries and consumer tools such as Zotero) might want to do. We are talking Books (from what

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-30 Thread Alexander Johannesen
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 18:47, Owen Stephens o...@ostephens.com wrote: Could you expand on how you think the problem that OpenURL tackles would have been better approached with existing mechanisms? As we all know, it's pretty much a spec for a way to template incoming and outgoing URLs,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-30 Thread Owen Stephens
Thanks Alex, This makes sense, and yes I see what your saying - and yes, if you end up going back to custom coding because it's easier it does seem to defeat the purpose. However I'd argue that actually OpenURL 'succeeded' because it did manage to get some level of acceptance (ignoring the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Twitter annotations and library software

2010-04-30 Thread Alexander Johannesen
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 20:29, Owen Stephens o...@ostephens.com wrote: However I'd argue that actually OpenURL 'succeeded' because it did manage to get some level of acceptance (ignoring the question of whether it is v0.1 or v1.0) - the cost of developing 'link resolvers' would have been much

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL (was: Twitter annotations...)

2010-04-30 Thread Kyle Banerjee
Dead ends from OpenURL enabled hyperlinks aren't a result of the standard though, but rather an aspect of both the problem they are trying to solve, and the conceptual way they try to do this. I'd content these dead ends are an implementation issue. Absolutely. There is no inherent reason

[CODE4LIB] Job Posting: Database Specialist @ Penn State University Libraries

2010-04-30 Thread Janis Mathewson
Hi all, We have an application developer job opportunity in my department at the Penn State Libraries. Thanks, Janis Database Specialist Level: 03 Work Unit: University Libraries Department: Department Of Information Technologies Job Number: 32060 Penn State University Libraries is seeking

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL

2010-04-30 Thread Ross Singer
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Jakob Voss jakob.v...@gbv.de wrote: Am I right that neither OpenURL nor COinS strictly defines a metadata model with a set of entities/attributes/fields/you-name-it and their definition? Apparently all ContextObjects metadata formats are based on non-normative

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL (was: Twitter annotations...)

2010-04-30 Thread Ross Singer
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Kyle Banerjee kyle.baner...@gmail.com wrote: An obvious thing for a resolver to be able to do is return results in JSON so the OpenURL can be more than a static link. But since the standard defines no such response, the site generating the OpenURL would have to

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL (was: Twitter annotations...)

2010-04-30 Thread Ed Summers
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: I actually think this lack of any specified response format is a large factor in the stagnation of OpenURL as a technology.  Since a resolver is under no obligation to do anything but present a web page it's difficult

[CODE4LIB] Approaches to Did You Mean Query Spelling Suggestions

2010-04-30 Thread Cory Lown
I'm exploring options for implementing a spelling suggestion or basic query reformulation service in our home grown search application (searches library website, catalog, summon, and a few other bins). Right now, my thought is to provide results for whatever was searched for 'as is' and

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL (was: Twitter annotations...)

2010-04-30 Thread Corey A Harper
Hi All, Though hesitant to jump in here, I agree with Owen that the dead ends aren't a standards issue. The bloat of the standard is, as is the lack of a standardized response format, but the dead ends have to do with bad metadata being coded into open-URLs and with breakdowns in the

Re: [CODE4LIB] it's cool to hate on OpenURL (was: Twitter annotations...)

2010-04-30 Thread Eric Hellman
Eek. I was hoping for something much simpler. Do you realize that you're asking for service taxonomy? On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Ross Singer wrote: I think the basis of a response could actually be another context object with the 'services' entity containing a list of services/targets

[CODE4LIB] NYTSL Spring Meeting and Program: May 19, 2010

2010-04-30 Thread Lisa Genoese
Cross-posted; apologies for duplication. * Dear colleagues and friends, Please join us for: New York Technical Services Librarians Spring Meeting Program Wednesday, May 19, 2010 Online registration is now open!

[CODE4LIB] New open-source inventory system

2010-04-30 Thread Yitzchak Schaffer
Hello all, apologies for cross-posting. We have just released a PHP/symfony application for processing the inventory of ILS item, under the new BSD license. This is great for those of us with an ILS that can do data export, but lacks an inventory module. Code is included for importing items

[CODE4LIB] SRU/ZeeRex explain question : record schemas

2010-04-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
This page: http://www.loc.gov/standards/sru/resources/schemas.html says: The Explain document lists the XML schemas for a given database in which records may be transferred. Every schemas is unambiguously identified by a URI and a server may assign a short name, which may or may not be the

Re: [CODE4LIB] SRU/ZeeRex explain question : record schemas

2010-04-30 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
schemaInfo is what you're looking for I think. Look at http://z3950.loc.gov:7090/voyager. Line 74, for example, schemaInfo schema identifier=info:srw/schema/1/marcxml-v1.1 sort=false name=marcxml titleMARCXML/title /schema Is this what you're looking for? --Ray - Original Message

Re: [CODE4LIB] SRU/ZeeRex explain question : record schemas

2010-04-30 Thread LeVan,Ralph
There's a schemaInfo element right under the explain element that carries that data. Here's a pointer to the Explain record for my LCNAF database. http://alcme.oclc.org/srw/search/lcnaf Don't let the browser fool you! View the source and you'll see the actual XML that was returned. The

Re: [CODE4LIB] Approaches to Did You Mean Query Spelling Suggestions

2010-04-30 Thread Genny Engel
I am not a fan of services that give spelling suggestions based on their own web-wide universe of terms. It's better to suggest only terms that are actually found within the smaller universe of your own materials. That way the user isn't offered a link that's guaranteed to get them zero

Re: [CODE4LIB] Approaches to Did You Mean Query Spelling Suggestions

2010-04-30 Thread Brad Dewar
Seconded. We use Solr's SpellCheckComponent to accomplish exactly this. Brad Dewar bde...@stfx.ca -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Genny Engel Sent: April-30-10 6:00 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB]

Re: [CODE4LIB] Approaches to Did You Mean Query Spelling Suggestions

2010-04-30 Thread Chad Fennell
Seconded. We use Solr's SpellCheckComponent to accomplish exactly this. +1

[CODE4LIB] It's cool to love milk and cookies

2010-04-30 Thread Simon Spero
I like chocolate milk.