[CODE4LIB] Distributed Models the Library (was: Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI)

2007-10-25 Thread pkeane

Hi Jakob-

Yes, I think you are correct that it is a bit much to think that a
distributed archiving model is a bit much for libraries to even consider
now, but I do think there are useful insights to be gained here.

As it stands now, linux developers using Git can carry around the entire
change history of the linux kernel (well, I think they just included the
2.6 kernel when they moved to Git) on their laptop, make changes, create
patches, etc and then make that available to others.  Well, undoubtedly
change history is is a bit much for the library to think about, by why
not, for instance, and entire library catalog?  If I could check out the
library catalog onto my computer  use whatever tools I wished to search,
organize, annotate, etc., then perhaps mix-in data (say holdings data
from other that are near me) OR even create the sort of relationships
between records that the Open Library folks are talking about
(http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/berkman_lunch_aaron_swartz_on.html)
then share that added data, we have quite a powerful distributed
development model.  It may seem a bit far-fetched, but I think that some
of the pieces (or at least a better understanding of how this might all
work) are beginning to take shape.

-Peter

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007, Jakob Voss wrote:


Peter wrote:


Also, re: blog mirroring, I highly recommend the current discussions
floating aroung the blogosphere regarding distributed source control (Git,
Mercurial, etc.).  It's a fundamental paradigm shift from centralized
control to distributed control that points the way toward the future of
libraries as they (we) become less and less the gatekeepers for the
stuff be it digital or physical and more and more the facilitators of
the bidirectional replication that assures ubiquitous access and
long-term preservation.  The library becomes (actually it has already
happended) simply a node on a network of trust and should act accordingly.

See the thoroughly entertaining/thought-provoking Google tech talk by
Linus Torvalds on Git:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8


Thanks for pointing to this interesting discussion. This goes even
further then the current paradigm shift from the old model
(author - publisher - distributor - reader) to a world of
user-generated content and collaboration! I was glad if we finally got
to model and archive Weblogs and Wikis - modelling and archiving the
whole process of content copying, changing and remixing and
republication is far beyong libraries capabilities!

Greetings,
Jakob

--
Jakob Voß [EMAIL PROTECTED], skype: nichtich
Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network
Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany
+49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de


[CODE4LIB] Distributed Models the Library (was: Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI)

2007-10-25 Thread Jason Stirnaman
 not, for instance, and entire library catalog?  If I could check out the
 library catalog onto my computer  use whatever tools I wished to search,

Peter,

You might be interested in Art Rhyno's experiment.  Here's Jon Udell's summary:

Art Rhyno’s science project
Art Rhyno’s title is Systems Librarian but he should consider adding Mad 
Scientist to his business card because his is full of wild and crazy and — to 
me, at least — brilliant ideas. Last year, when I was a judge for the Talis 
“Mashing up the Library” competion, one of my favorite entries was this one 
from Art. The project mirrors a library catalog to the desktop and integrates 
it with desktop search. The searcher in this case is Google Desktop, but could 
be another, and the integration is accomplished by exposing the catalog as a 
set of Web Folders, which Art correctly describes as “Microsoft’s in-built and 
oft-overlooked WebDAV option.”

http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/16/art-rhynos-science-project/

Jason
--

Jason Stirnaman
OME/Biomedical  Digital Projects Librarian
A.R. Dykes Library
The University of Kansas Medical Center
Kansas City, Kansas
Work: 913-588-7319
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 On 10/25/2007 at 10:47 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], pkeane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Jakob-

 Yes, I think you are correct that it is a bit much to think that a
 distributed archiving model is a bit much for libraries to even consider
 now, but I do think there are useful insights to be gained here.

 As it stands now, linux developers using Git can carry around the entire
 change history of the linux kernel (well, I think they just included the
 2.6 kernel when they moved to Git) on their laptop, make changes, create
 patches, etc and then make that available to others.  Well, undoubtedly
 change history is is a bit much for the library to think about, by why
 not, for instance, and entire library catalog?  If I could check out the
 library catalog onto my computer  use whatever tools I wished to search,
 organize, annotate, etc., then perhaps mix-in data (say holdings data
 from other that are near me) OR even create the sort of relationships
 between records that the Open Library folks are talking about
 (http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/berkman_lunch_aaron_swartz_on.htm
 l)
 then share that added data, we have quite a powerful distributed
 development model.  It may seem a bit far-fetched, but I think that some
 of the pieces (or at least a better understanding of how this might all
 work) are beginning to take shape.

 -Peter

 On Thu, 25 Oct 2007, Jakob Voss wrote:

 Peter wrote:

 Also, re: blog mirroring, I highly recommend the current discussions
 floating aroung the blogosphere regarding distributed source control (Git,
 Mercurial, etc.).  It's a fundamental paradigm shift from centralized
 control to distributed control that points the way toward the future of
 libraries as they (we) become less and less the gatekeepers for the
 stuff be it digital or physical and more and more the facilitators of
 the bidirectional replication that assures ubiquitous access and
 long-term preservation.  The library becomes (actually it has already
 happended) simply a node on a network of trust and should act accordingly.

 See the thoroughly entertaining/thought-provoking Google tech talk by
 Linus Torvalds on Git:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8

 Thanks for pointing to this interesting discussion. This goes even
 further then the current paradigm shift from the old model
 (author - publisher - distributor - reader) to a world of
 user-generated content and collaboration! I was glad if we finally got
 to model and archive Weblogs and Wikis - modelling and archiving the
 whole process of content copying, changing and remixing and
 republication is far beyong libraries capabilities!

 Greetings,
 Jakob

 --
 Jakob Voß [EMAIL PROTECTED], skype: nichtich
 Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network
 Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany
 +49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de



Re: [CODE4LIB] Distributed Models the Library (was: Re: [CODE4LIB] RFC 5005 ATOM extension and OAI)

2007-10-25 Thread pkeane

Very interesting!  I will check it out

-Peter

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007, Jason Stirnaman wrote:


not, for instance, and entire library catalog?  If I could check out the
library catalog onto my computer  use whatever tools I wished to search,


Peter,

You might be interested in Art Rhyno's experiment.  Here's Jon Udell's summary:

Art Rhyno?s science project
Art Rhyno?s title is Systems Librarian but he should consider adding Mad 
Scientist to his business card because his is full of wild and crazy and ? to 
me, at least ? brilliant ideas. Last year, when I was a judge for the Talis 
?Mashing up the Library? competion, one of my favorite entries was this one 
from Art. The project mirrors a library catalog to the desktop and integrates 
it with desktop search. The searcher in this case is Google Desktop, but could 
be another, and the integration is accomplished by exposing the catalog as a 
set of Web Folders, which Art correctly describes as ?Microsoft?s in-built and 
oft-overlooked WebDAV option.?

http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/16/art-rhynos-science-project/

Jason
--

Jason Stirnaman
OME/Biomedical  Digital Projects Librarian
A.R. Dykes Library
The University of Kansas Medical Center
Kansas City, Kansas
Work: 913-588-7319
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



On 10/25/2007 at 10:47 AM, in message

[EMAIL PROTECTED], pkeane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Jakob-

Yes, I think you are correct that it is a bit much to think that a
distributed archiving model is a bit much for libraries to even consider
now, but I do think there are useful insights to be gained here.

As it stands now, linux developers using Git can carry around the entire
change history of the linux kernel (well, I think they just included the
2.6 kernel when they moved to Git) on their laptop, make changes, create
patches, etc and then make that available to others.  Well, undoubtedly
change history is is a bit much for the library to think about, by why
not, for instance, and entire library catalog?  If I could check out the
library catalog onto my computer  use whatever tools I wished to search,
organize, annotate, etc., then perhaps mix-in data (say holdings data
from other that are near me) OR even create the sort of relationships
between records that the Open Library folks are talking about
(http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/berkman_lunch_aaron_swartz_on.htm
l)
then share that added data, we have quite a powerful distributed
development model.  It may seem a bit far-fetched, but I think that some
of the pieces (or at least a better understanding of how this might all
work) are beginning to take shape.

-Peter

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007, Jakob Voss wrote:


Peter wrote:


Also, re: blog mirroring, I highly recommend the current discussions
floating aroung the blogosphere regarding distributed source control (Git,
Mercurial, etc.).  It's a fundamental paradigm shift from centralized
control to distributed control that points the way toward the future of
libraries as they (we) become less and less the gatekeepers for the
stuff be it digital or physical and more and more the facilitators of
the bidirectional replication that assures ubiquitous access and
long-term preservation.  The library becomes (actually it has already
happended) simply a node on a network of trust and should act accordingly.

See the thoroughly entertaining/thought-provoking Google tech talk by
Linus Torvalds on Git:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8


Thanks for pointing to this interesting discussion. This goes even
further then the current paradigm shift from the old model
(author - publisher - distributor - reader) to a world of
user-generated content and collaboration! I was glad if we finally got
to model and archive Weblogs and Wikis - modelling and archiving the
whole process of content copying, changing and remixing and
republication is far beyong libraries capabilities!

Greetings,
Jakob

--
Jakob Voß [EMAIL PROTECTED], skype: nichtich
Verbundzentrale des GBV (VZG) / Common Library Network
Platz der Goettinger Sieben 1, 37073 Göttingen, Germany
+49 (0)551 39-10242, http://www.gbv.de