Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-04-16 Thread Taco Ekkel
AquaBrowser Library will support OpenID for logging into your library stuff. Going beyond that, Jeremy touches a good point on trust. Since AquaBrowser is cross-datasource (ILSes, DBs, etc - both indexed and federated) we are considering hooking into auth systems under water, by allowing users to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-26 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jeremy Frumkin wrote: Ok, so this is a good example for where I¹m failing to see the advantage to OpenID over the current local authentication provided by a university / library. As Nathan explains, to identify your link resolver(s) to a particular database (or 'source') you are using. How can

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-26 Thread Jeremy Frumkin
On 3/26/07 6:35 AM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy Frumkin wrote: Ok, so this is a good example for where I¹m failing to see the advantage to OpenID over the current local authentication provided by a university / library. As Nathan explains, to identify your link

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-26 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Right, except OpenID isn¹t going to do this; there needs to be an infrastructure in place where OpenID (or some other standard persistent identifying system) can sit on top of, and that¹s still the big problem. Right, that's exactly what Nathan's original post suggested. Are we reading the same

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-26 Thread S Perkins
Back in January on NGC4LIB I proposed doing this, a universal ID system to use when browsing, using the FOAF structure. I got back answers that told me they were not getting the concept. This discussion on OpenID is very interesting and I hope this can be made to work. Steven C. Perkins On

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread Harrison Dekker
I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but it seems to me that another possible application of OpenID might be to uniquely digital identifier for authors. In other words, the OpenID could serve as a basis for a sort of open access authority control service (in addition to the obvious single sign-on

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread Edward Summers
On Mar 23, 2007, at 1:21 AM, Alexander Johannesen wrote: I suspect most of our patrons are in the latter category, but hey, we're going to implement OpenID cross-system soon so at least we're trying. :) I think experimentation and research are needed in the application of openid in

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread susan rector
i can see many library administrators being skeptical about openid... at my library we're actively looking at shibboleth. i don't know enough about either one yet to speak intelligently about them, but..doesn't shibboleth operate similarly to openid? cheers, susan Susan Teague Rector Library

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread David J. Fiander
Ross! You're not supposed to actually _say_ it! - David On 22-Mar-07, at 23:37 , Ross Singer wrote: On 3/22/07, Don McMorris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan's message (I guess seeing academia) made me think of Athens, which made me further think Hey, Subscription Databases are just ITCHING

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread Thomas Dowling
My rule about Shibboleth is that it takes twice as long to implement as you planned, even if you take this rule into account. That was funny when we were in the second year of a one-year implentation timetable. Now that we're in the fifth year Thomas Dowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread Ross Singer
Ah ha! /That's/ the problem with Shibboleth -- every time anyone tries to implement it, they say it incorrectly and are subsequently killed, sending the institution back to square one. -Ross. On 3/23/07, David J. Fiander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross! You're not supposed to actually _say_

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread Nathan Vack
On Mar 22, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Jeremy Frumkin wrote: It isn’t clear to me that there is enough added value to libraries at this point to adopt OpenID – of course, I’d be glad to buy someone a beer if they provide a use case to convince me otherwise ;-) OK, I'll bite: * We build a registry

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread Jeremy Frumkin
Ok, so this is a good example for where I¹m failing to see the advantage to OpenID over the current local authentication provided by a university / library. Why would I need to use OpenID as opposed to my current account that my library provides me? As I understand the current OpenURL workflow,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread Nathan Vack
On Mar 23, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Jeremy Frumkin wrote: Ok, so this is a good example for where I’m failing to see the advantage to OpenID over the current local authentication provided by a university / library. Why would I need to use OpenID as opposed to my current account that my library

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread Paul Miller
Ultimately, I'd hope to see libraries agree on a set of attributes for classifying patrons, building registries of trusted providers, and using this as basis for offering services outside our own institutions. (There's a Mashing Up The Library entrant floating around in my mind, with this

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-23 Thread William Denton
On 22 March 2007, William Denton wrote: I hadn't been too clear on OpenID but a week or two ago I listened to a recording of a talk about that explained it well. I can't find it again, unfortunately, but you can take my word for it that it was pretty good. It was Simon Willison at the Future

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-22 Thread Ryan Eby
I haven't seen much in library world outside of some talk/discussion. I did come across one academia that did implement it: http://blog.case.edu/jms18/2007/03/09/openid_server_integrated_with_cas Not sure if it's taken off much otherwise in the academic or public sector. I think quite a few are

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-22 Thread Carol Bean
That would work if both (or all) library systems shared access to the same online resources equally. Or I suppose one could have a system of automatic forwarding/ authentication based on id? That would be cool, but I wonder how hard would it be to implement? Here in Florida, the State Library

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-22 Thread Ross Singer
Bill, I have thought about this (although not in regards to logging library workstations -- that'd be difficult but awesome), especially now that Georgia Tech is implementing lifetime accounts. The project that we are currently trying to pull together (GaTher -- which is sort of a library

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-22 Thread David J. Fiander
On 22-Mar-07, at 22:09 , William Denton wrote: Say I live in Lower Mowat but one day I'm in Upper Mowat, in the next municipality (or county, or whatever) over, visiting my tailor. The two library systems are separate but share their resources. I pop into the library to update my Twittering

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-22 Thread Don McMorris
Ryan's message (I guess seeing academia) made me think of Athens, which made me further think Hey, Subscription Databases are just ITCHING for OpenID!. I mean, come on... The methods we have for database authentication aren't working well... 1) authenticating to a proxy and browsing the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Using OpenID in libraries

2007-03-22 Thread Ross Singer
On 3/22/07, Don McMorris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan's message (I guess seeing academia) made me think of Athens, which made me further think Hey, Subscription Databases are just ITCHING for OpenID!. I mean, come on... The methods we have for database authentication aren't working well...