Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If Zotero is slurping up these Endnote-created .ens files without users even knowing about it, that would be one thing. But if .ens files can be created by many people, and if users can use Zotero to import any of these .ens files, and if users _choose_ to use Zotero to import Endnote-created

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Peter Murray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2008, at 9:55 PM, Walter Lewis wrote: I had read the original claim as we export citations accepted at 3500 journals (most of which they might have been able to accomplish with the couple dozen styles in question given the popularity

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Peter Murray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: But there's nothing illegal about reverse engineering it. Unless perhaps you've signed a contract saying you wouldn't (did George Mason? Perhaps, if they have an EndNote license).

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Tim Spalding
I'm guessing that GMU-paid people wrote the code in question—they have quite a team now. But it would an interesting legal question if outside people had done it as part of the Open Source process and GMU had merely agreed to include the code. Tim On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Peter Murray

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Peter Murray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Tim Spalding wrote: I'm guessing that GMU-paid people wrote the code in question―they have quite a team now. But it would an interesting legal question if outside people had done it as part of the Open Source process

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Edward M. Corrado
Peter Murray wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Tim Spalding wrote: I'm guessing that GMU-paid people wrote the code in question―they have quite a team now. But it would an interesting legal question if outside people had done it as part of

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Klein, Michael
Edward M. Corrado wrote: This will be interesting to see how it works out. From what I read, it looks like the case that Thomson has is based on, or at least strongly enhanced by, the EULA. Thus, the legal questions may end up being 1) is freeing data from a proprietary file format aviolation

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Edward M. Corrado
Klein, Michael wrote: Edward M. Corrado wrote: This will be interesting to see how it works out. From what I read, it looks like the case that Thomson has is based on, or at least strongly enhanced by, the EULA. Thus, the legal questions may end up being 1) is freeing data from a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Bill Dueber
Am I wrong, though, in thinking that a clean-room recreation of the Zotero code that parses .ens files would be legal (although the use of ISI-provided .ens files would still be, at best, questionable)? If so, I'd like to encourage everyone who might be interested in working on such a project to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Danielle Plumer
Edward M. Corrado wrote: This will be interesting to see how it works out. From what I read, it looks like the case that Thomson has is based on, or at least strongly enhanced by, the EULA. Thus, the legal questions may end up being 1) is freeing data from a proprietary file format aviolation

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Makes sense to me. Only the judge that decides the case knows for sure. Jonathan Bill Dueber wrote: Am I wrong, though, in thinking that a clean-room recreation of the Zotero code that parses .ens files would be legal (although the use of ISI-provided .ens files would still be, at best,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-28 Thread Peter Murray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've posted some analysis and plenty of links to critical bits at http://dltj.org/article/endnote-zotero-lawsuit/ Some other thoughts... On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Reese, Terry wrote: While reverse engineering the .ens style files really isn't

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-28 Thread Reese, Terry
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've posted some analysis and plenty of links to critical bits at http://dltj.org/article/endnote-zotero-lawsuit/ Some other thoughts... On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Reese, Terry wrote: While reverse

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-28 Thread Walter Lewis
Peter Murray wrote: The version of EndNote I have (circa 2005) came with a couple dozen styles, and as of now Thomson Scientific has 3,500 up on their EndNote Styles website. I had read the original claim as we export citations accepted at 3500 journals (most of which they might have been able

[CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-26 Thread wally grotophorst
http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/09/17/Reuters_Says_George_Mason_University_Is_Handing_Out_Its_Proprietary_Software.htm I guess stuff like this is what gives me that anti-corporate bias...

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-26 Thread Reese, Terry
- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wally grotophorst Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:09 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/09/17/Reuters_Says_George_Mason_Univ