Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software [quality and community]

2009-12-30 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
On Dec 28, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Quality of code in general: How well-designed is the code architecture, for maintenance and debugging? Developer Community: Is there a developer community around this software, with multiple people from multiple institutions

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Thomas Krichel
Brett Bonfield writes I think Jonathan and Nicole nailed it with community health, I beg to differ. If you requiree a healthy community to start working with a piece of software, how do you want a grassroots project to start? Obviously a small project will start with one or two

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Nicole Engard
Thomas, That's why I added in 'user' to the community. If there is an active communication medium with one or two developers communicating with the user community than there is health there. So I always say to look at the developer user community to make sure it's active as one of the gauges of

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Something I tried to write about in my article in LJ, is, yes, every project needs to start somewhere. But you need to evaluate your own capacity, and compare that against the maturity of the software and the community. You need more internal capacity to deal with immature software with an

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Thomas Krichel wrote: Requiring an upfront healthy community is particurly problematic is a small community such as digital library work. On the other kind, there is widely adopted software that I got cajoled into maintaining, that consider bad. Apache is one of them.

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Ziso, Ya'aqov
/2009 12:43 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software What qualities and characteristics make for a good piece of open source software? And once that question is answered, then what pieces of library-related open source software can be considered best

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Thomas Krichel
Nicole Engard writes That's why I added in 'user' to the community. No matter how many people use Apache based web sites, it does not make it Apache software better. Telling people to use what others are using is just simple propaganda to stifle competition. Cheers,

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Francis Kayiwa
On 12/29/09 7:40 AM, Thomas Krichel wrote: Brett Bonfield writes I think Jonathan and Nicole nailed it with community health, I beg to differ. If you requiree a healthy community to start working with a piece of software, how do you want a grassroots project to start? Obviously

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I think you may find yourself somewhat in the minority in thinking Apache is bad software. (I certainly have my complaints about it, but in general I find it more robust, flexible, and bug-free than just about any other software I work with). But aside from getting into a war about some

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Francis Kayiwa wrote: IMHO good open source software is driven by people with an itch to fix. The community develops and can be cultivated around this itch rather than world domination. The project _MUST_ well documented [0] ideally actively maintained. The support of this software will

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: I think you may find yourself somewhat in the minority in thinking Apache is bad software. (I certainly have my complaints about it, but in general I find it more robust, flexible, and bug-free than just about any other software I work with).

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Nicole Engard
I feel like I'm being misunderstood. I'm not saying if a lot of people use it it. must be good. I'm saying if there is 1 developer listening to his 1+ users in an open community forum (actual forum, mailing list, chat room, etc) then the product is healthier than the open source product with no

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-29 Thread Ziso, Ya'aqov
Telling people to use what others are using is just simple propaganda to stifle competition +++ Respectfully, inviting people to an open discussion is exactly the opposite of telling people and propaganda

[CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-28 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
What qualities and characteristics make for a good piece of open source software? And once that question is answered, then what pieces of library-related open source software can be considered best? I do not believe there is any single, most important characteristic of open source software

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Quality of code in general: How well-designed is the code architecture, for maintenance and debugging? [This not only matters if you plan to do in-house development with it, but matters for predicting how likely the product is to stay 'alive' and continue to evolve with the times, instead

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-28 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: For my own education and cogitation, I have begun to list questions to help me address what I think is the best library-related open source software. [1] Your comments would be greatly appreciated. I have listed the questions here in (more or

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-28 Thread Nicole Engard
I'm with Jonathan on the community health, one of the things I stress when teaching my open source classes is that the developer and user community is essential to the success and life of the product. Nicole C. Engard On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote:

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-28 Thread Brett Bonfield
I really like this topic, and I like how you're thinking about it. I tried to ask similar questions in an article I published in July: http://inthelibrarywiththeleadpipe.org/2009/w-e-b-s-i-t-e-find-out-what-it-means-to-me/ I think Jonathan and Nicole nailed it with community health, though this

Re: [CODE4LIB] good and best open source software

2009-12-28 Thread Edward M. Corrado
While I think the author draws to strong of a line between Open Source and Closed Source, there is a good book about evaluating Open source software by Bernard Golden called Succeeding with open source [1]. Edward [1] http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/55124574 Brett Bonfield wrote: I really