Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-25 Thread Eric Hellman
On Nov 23, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Ross Singer wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote: Does this answer your question, Ross? Yes, sort of. My question was not so much if you can resolve handles via bindings other than HTTP (since that's one of the selling

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Eric Hellman
For example, if you don't want to rely on dx.doi.org as your gateway to the handle system for doi resolution, it would be quite easy for me to deploy my own gateway at dx.hellman.net. I might want to do this if a were an organization paranoid about security and didn't want to disclose to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Ross Singer
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote: Does this answer your question, Ross? Yes, sort of. My question was not so much if you can resolve handles via bindings other than HTTP (since that's one of the selling points of handles) as it was do people actually use

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Roy Tennant
But minting DOIs requires a Registration Agency which as far as I understand it, requires $1,000 and approval from the International DOI Federation.[1] Roy [1] http://www.doi.org/handbook_2000/governance.html#7.2.2 On 11/23/09 11/23/09 € 10:07 AM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote: For

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread MJ Suhonos
Hi all, couldn't resist jumping in on this one: But appears that the handle system is quite a bit more fleshed out than a simple purl server, it's a distributed protocol-independent network. The protocol-independent part may or may not be useful, but it certainly seems like it could be,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Ross Singer
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Well, here's the trick about handles, as I understand it.  A handle, for instance, a DOI, is 10.1074/jbc.M004545200. Well, actually, it could be: 10.1074/jbc.M004545200 doi:10.1074/jbc.M004545200

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The actual handle is 10.1074/jbc.M004545200 . If your software wants to get a handle to give it to any handle resolver of it's choice, it's going to have to parse the doi: or info: versions to get the handle out first. The info version is a URI that has a DOI handle embedded in it. The doi

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Tom Keays
Interesting stuff. I never really thought about it before that DOIs can be served up by the Handle server. E.G., http://dx.doi.org/10.1074/jbc.M004545200 = http://hdl.handle.net/10.1074/jbc.M004545200 But, even more surprising to me was realizing that Handles can be resolved by the DOI server.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Ben O'Steen
What happens if the main doi resolver goes down? I'd be interested to see how well a local resolver works when blocked from this upstream server. Are there any other upstream servers? Ben On Nov 23, 2009 10:10 PM, Tom Keays tomke...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting stuff. I never really thought

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
What do you mean by a local resolver? If you're talking about a local handle resolver adhering to the handle spec... well, then it depends on the handle spec I guess, which I don't know. But since all the handle documetnation keeps saying like DNS, then I'd imagine it has similar (or better)

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
More info here too: http://www.handle.net/introduction.html This handle stuff is interesting, but I don't entirely understand it. I guess if the Global Handle Service really went down, it would be similar to a root-level DNS server going down -- you'd be in trouble, somewhat mitigated by

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-21 Thread Jodi Schneider
I'm really interested to hear that DOIs are starting to have brand recognition with (some) users. Thanks! -Jodi

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-20 Thread Eric Hellman
Having incorporated the handle client software into my own stuff rather easily, I'm pretty sure that's not true. On Nov 19, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Ross Singer wrote: The caveat being that the initial access point is provided via HTTP. But then again, so is http://hdl.handle.net/, which, in fact,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-20 Thread Ross Singer
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Eric Hellman e...@hellman.net wrote: Having incorporated the handle client software into my own stuff rather easily, I'm pretty sure that's not true. Fair enough. The technology is binding independent. So you are using and sharing handles using some protocol

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-19 Thread Tom Keays
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Jodi Schneider jodi.a.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The first question is: what are they trying to accomplish by having DOIs? DOIs are just a form of Handle, which is a persistent URL schema. I don't think I need to explain what PURLs are designed to accomplish.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-19 Thread Han, Yan
.. http://www.handle.net/index.html Notice the difference in definition. Yan -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ross Singer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:11 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-19 Thread Ross Singer
[mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ross Singer Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:11 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Han, Yan h...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote: Currently DOI uses Handle

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-18 Thread Rees, John (NIH/NLM) [E]
3819 National Library of Medicine 8600 Rockville Pike Bethesda, MD 20894 -Original Message- From: Jodi Schneider [mailto:jodi.a.schnei...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:59 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content The first

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-18 Thread Han, Yan
Schneider Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:59 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content The first question is: what are they trying to accomplish by having DOIs? Do they have a long-term plan for persistence of their content? Financial plan

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-18 Thread Ranti Junus
Fascinating. I learned a lot from these discussions. Thank you all so much! ranti. -- Bulk mail. Postage paid.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-18 Thread Stuart Lewis
Resources Manager University of Liverpool -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: 17 November 2009 23:20 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content So I have

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-18 Thread Ross Singer
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Han, Yan h...@u.library.arizona.edu wrote: Currently DOI uses Handle (technology) with it social framework (i.e. administrative body to manage DOI). In technical sense, PURL is not going to last long. I'm not entirely sure what this is supposed to mean (re:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So I have no actual experience with this. But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care of it. Of course, if your documents are going to be moving all over the place, if you run your own purl

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-17 Thread Bucknell, Terry
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content So I have no actual experience with this. But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care of it. Of course, if your documents are going

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-17 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Bucknell, Terry wrote: Note that as well as registering DOIs for the articles in LLT, LLT would be obliged to link to the articles cited by LLT articles (for cited articles that have DOIs too). Huh, I didn't know that. I understand the motivation, but investigating whether every cited

Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content

2009-11-17 Thread Jodi Schneider
November 2009 23:20 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Assigning DOI for local content So I have no actual experience with this. But you have to pay for DOI's. I've never done it, but I don't think you neccesarily have to run your own purl server -- CrossRef takes care