On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:
> The percentage of things that have decent LCSH assigned to them is
>> small
>> and shrinking for the simple reason that a fewer and fewer humans have to
>> manage more resources.
>>
>
> I'm not sure what you are saying
On 4/6/16 9:51 AM, Kyle Banerjee wrote:
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
... Libraries "do" it, but our user interfaces ignore it (honestly, does
anyone NOT think that the whole BT/NT relationship in LCSH is completely
wasted in today's systems?). Google
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On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 07:42:11AM -0700, Karen Coyle wrote:
> Also, without the links that fuel pager
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
> ... Libraries "do" it, but our user interfaces ignore it (honestly, does
> anyone NOT think that the whole BT/NT relationship in LCSH is completely
> wasted in today's systems?). Google searches "work" best on proper nouns
>
On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 07:42:11AM -0700, Karen Coyle wrote:
> Also, without the links that fuel pagerank, the ranking is very
> unsatisfactory - cf. Google Book searches, which are often very
> unsatisfying -- and face it, if Google can't make it work, what are
> the odds that we can?
Karen,
I
On 4/6/16 4:04 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
Instead, I think the problem to solve surrounds assisting the reader in using &
understanding the stuff they find.
I'd like to see innovation a step before find, but I think in a sense
we're on the same wavelength. My take is that bibliographic
There is at least some new evidence that for at least some users...discovery
patterns are moving toward library interfaces after having a steady decline [1].
It seems plausible to me that this shift may correlate to the change in tools
and attitudes that has led to integrated discovery layers
On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Jason Bengtson wrote:
> This is librarians fighting a PR battle we can't win. I doubt most people
> care about these assertions, and I certainly don't think they stand a
> chance of swaying anyone. This is like the old "librarians need to
I think some should get off their pedestals and think how the unknown
to you patron is to find you, your library and your content.
To assume the user has come and ask you is to put too much burden on
the user to find and access what you have.
This weeks furthest patron for me was the other side
This is librarians fighting a PR battle we can't win. I doubt most people
care about these assertions, and I certainly don't think they stand a
chance of swaying anyone. This is like the old "librarians need to promote
themselves better" chestnut. Losing strategies, in my opinion. Rather than
On Apr 5, 2016, at 11:12 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:
> Eric, there were studies done a few decades ago using factual questions.
> Here's a critical round-up of some of the studies:
> http://www.jstor.org/stable/25828215 Basically, 40-60% correct, but possibly
> the questions
Eric, there were studies done a few decades ago using factual questions.
Here's a critical round-up of some of the studies:
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25828215
Basically, 40-60% correct, but possibly the questions were not
representative -- so possibly the results are really worse :(
kc
"Google can give you answers, Librarians can help you reflect on your
questions"
cheers
stuart
--
...let us be heard from red core to black sky
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> I sincerely wonder to what extent librarians give the reader
> (patrons)
I sincerely wonder to what extent librarians give the reader
(patrons) the right -- correct -- answer to a (reference) question.
Such is a hypothesis that can be tested and measured. Please show me
non-antidotal evidence one way or the other. --ELM
"Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers."
True, indeed, "right" is relative! And, while I may consider phrasing this
statement a little differently -- for the inconsistency thrown up by an
unnecessary modal verb, for a start! - perhaps, "librarians" should not be
"Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers."
True, indeed, "right" is relative! And, while I may consider phrasing this
statement a little differently -- for the inconsistency thrown up by an
unnecessary modal verb, for a start! - perhaps, "librarians" should not be
That statement is pretty old.
Today, much of the internet is written for machines or by machines. Poorly
written rehashed fluffy content dominates. As time goes on, even though
search algorithms are getting better and the general public is getting more
savvy about how to use a search engine,
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On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. <corneldarde...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> "Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers."
>
> Is
On Apr 1, 2016, at 0:31, Cornel Darden Jr. wrote:
> "Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers."
>
> Library: "because not everything on the internet is true"
>
> Some people applauded the statement and were like: "yay librarians!"
>
>
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Cornel Darden Jr. wrote:
>
> "Google can give you answers, but librarians give you the right answers."
>
> Is it me? Or is there something wrong with this statement?
>
There's nothing wrong with the statement. As is the case with all
Of Siân
Evans
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Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Google can give you answers, but librarians give you
the right answers
Thanks for this discussion thread. I would argue that good librarians don't
provide answers at all, they provide the means
Thanks for this discussion thread. I would argue that good librarians don't
provide answers at all, they provide the means to ask thoughtful, critical
questions.
Also, in adding to the reading list, I thoroughly recommend Astra Taylor's *The
People's Platform: Taking Back Power and Culture in the
Hi there,
This is something I've been thinking about a lot in the past few weeks.
I don't think librarians necessarily give people the "right answers" (what does
it mean for an answer to be "right", anyway?). Sure, not everything on the
Internet is true, but not everything that came from a
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