Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-16 Thread Ross Singer
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Ray Denenberg, Library of Congressr...@loc.gov wrote: Ross, if you're talking about the ISO 20775 xml schema: http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso20775/ISOholdings_V1.0.xsd It's free. It's also not a spec, it's a schema. If the expectation is that people are

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-16 Thread Houghton,Andrew
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ross Singer Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Ray Denenberg

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-16 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ross Singer Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:07 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-16 Thread Bill Dueber
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Houghton,Andrew hough...@oclc.org wrote: Not saying you're wrong Ross, but it depends. People adopted MARC-XML by looking at the .xsd without an actual specification. Granted it's not a complicated schema however, and there already existed the MARC 21

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-16 Thread Houghton,Andrew
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Dueber Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:45 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Houghton,Andrew

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-16 Thread Karen Coyle
Houghton,Andrew wrote: So why do people keep running new standards thru organizations like ISO that lock them up behind a pay system? It's probably better to run them through NISO first where they will be freely available, then run them through ISO where ISO can lock them up for the people who

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-16 Thread Houghton,Andrew
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:09 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage Houghton,Andrew wrote: Second, standards can undergo

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-15 Thread Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
From: Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com Well, it's not a great example, because I don't have a 'counter-example', but I think it will remain to be seen if ISO 20775 goes anywhere if it, too, remains behind a pay wall. If an open spec were to come along that allowed the transfer of holdings and

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-15 Thread Gabriel Farrell
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 09:34:57PM -0400, Ross Singer wrote: RDA, I think, might also suffer from this problem. I had assumed that Walter was collecting examples to highlight the idiocy of the RDA wall.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-14 Thread William Wueppelmann
That might not be the best analogy. The most commonly-cited reason for Beta losing out to VHS seems to be the initial limitation of Beta to 1-hour tapes, which wasn't enough to record a movie from TV, or to play back a rented one without switching tapes partway through. By the time Beta

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-14 Thread Walter Lewis
William Wueppelmann wrote: [snip] I'm not entirely sure that TCP/IP and the other IETF RFCs became established because of restrictions placed on OSI. I was under the impression that OSI was also insanely complicated and that the IETF standards were much cheaper to implement from a technical

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-14 Thread Ross Singer
Well, it's not a great example, because I don't have a 'counter-example', but I think it will remain to be seen if ISO 20775 goes anywhere if it, too, remains behind a pay wall. If an open spec were to come along that allowed the transfer of holdings and availability information that was decent

Re: [CODE4LIB] Open, public standards v. pay per view standards and usage

2009-07-13 Thread Andrew Hankinson
Have a look at the ongoing battles between MPEG4 and Ogg for the browser video space. I don't know of your second criteria for b), however - not many people are using Ogg (yet) http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/07/06/ogg-theora-h-264-and-the-html-5-browser-squabble/