Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-26 Thread Patrick Hochstenbach
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie Ruby may be sexy but sexy ruby on rails gets only four hits. As for sexy python, well, no comment. T On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Andrew Hankinson andrew.hankin...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity I tried them in quotes: sexy

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-26 Thread Ross Singer
sexy groovy - 43,200 On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Andrew Hankinson andrew.hankin...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity I tried them in quotes: sexy ruby - 72,200 sexy python - 37,900 sexy php - 25,100 sexy java - 16,100 sexy asp - 14,800 sexy perl - 8,080 sexy C++ - 177 sexy

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-26 Thread Becky Yoose
sexy code4lib - 0 (with quotes); 2,380 (without quotes) Thanks, Becky sexy librarian - 73,700... sexy coder - 1,950... On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: sexy groovy - 43,200 On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Andrew Hankinson

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-26 Thread Doran, Michael D
...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Spalding Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:21 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie Ruby may be sexy but sexy ruby on rails gets only four hits. As for sexy python, well, no comment. T On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Andrew Hankinson

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Eric Celeste
To offer a counterpoint to no PHP folks, One reason I like PHP is because right now its pretty much essential to know if you are using open source web applications like MediaWiki, Wordpress or Drupal. I feel like Javascript is also a must for web work. Agreed. I actually hated both PHP and

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Jon Gorman
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM, jenny jennynotanyd...@gmail.com wrote: My question is, where would you recommend I would begin? What's hot right now in the library world? Python, PERL, Ruby? Any advice you'd have for a beginner like me or even recommendations for online courses would be

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Brian Stamper
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:51:38 -0400, Mark Tomko mark.to...@simmons.edu wrote: I wouldn't recommend PHP to learn as a programming language, if your goal is to have a general purpose programming language at your disposal. PHP is a fine language for building dynamic web pages, but it won't

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Shirley Lincicum
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Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Yitzchak Schaffer
On 3/25/2010 10:24, Brian Stamper wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:51:38 -0400, Mark Tomko mark.to...@simmons.edu wrote: I wouldn't recommend PHP to learn as a programming language, if your goal is to have a general purpose programming language at your disposal. PHP is a fine language for

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Yitzchak Schaffer
On 3/24/2010 17:43, Joe Hourcle wrote: I know there's a lot of stuff written in it, but *please* don't recommend PHP to beginners. Yes, you can get a lot of stuff done with it, but I've had way too many incidents where newbie coders didn't check their inputs, and we've had to clean up after

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Matthew Bachtell
As someone who uses PHP to do the small things I would recommend using Python or another language. I am trying to transition away from PHP to Python as it is not a panacea. PHP's great for web scripting but was never intended to do all of the duct taped projects that I have put together with it.

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Gabriel Farrell
You should /join #code4lib. Only there will you learn the secret one true path to wisdom. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Matthew Bachtell matthewbacht...@gmail.com wrote: As someone who uses PHP to do the small things I would recommend using Python or another language.  I am trying to

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Benjamin Young
He means JavaScript. ;) Honestly, though, PHP and all it's fault not withstanding, I highly recommend starting with a C syntax-based language such as JavaScript, PHP, Java, or even C# (and obviously C and C++). Get some basic programming concepts understood, and then pursue the language the

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010, Yitzchak Schaffer wrote: On 3/24/2010 17:43, Joe Hourcle wrote: I know there's a lot of stuff written in it, but *please* don't recommend PHP to beginners. Yes, you can get a lot of stuff done with it, but I've had way too many incidents where newbie coders didn't check

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Aaron Rubinstein
On 3/24/2010 4:47 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote: Just so I can use some of my favorite technical jargon, you need to find a reference implementation. That's a fancy way of saying, find the simplest example you can. Then just copy and tweak the code until you grok it. There's an infinite amount to

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Ross Singer
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Aaron Rubinstein arubi...@library.umass.edu wrote: This is some of the best advice.  Reading and adapting good code has been my favorite way to learn.  There was a discussion a couple years back on a code4lib code repository of some kind[1].  I'd love to

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Mike Taylor
Newbie programmers (and established ones still looking to improve) might be interested in this blog article that I wrote a few days ago about some of the best programmers I've had the privilege of working with:

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Aaron Rubinstein
On 3/25/2010 12:47 PM, Ross Singer wrote: I disagreed with this back in the day, and I still disagree with running our own code repository. There are too many good code hosting solutions out there for this to be justifiable. We used to run an SVN repo at code4lib.org, but we never bothered

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Walker, David
[arubi...@library.umass.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:21 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie On 3/25/2010 12:47 PM, Ross Singer wrote: I disagreed with this back in the day, and I still disagree with running our own code repository. There are too many good code

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Genny Engel
Agreed -- I coded up many nice SQL injection vulnerabilities before I ever learned PHP. As for Perl, anyone remember the notorious formmail.cgi from Matt's Script Archive? For **web** programming specifically, it's critically important for newbies to get a grounding in security issues,

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Ranti Junus
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Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Tim Spalding
Finally, I never would have put the strings PHP and sexiness in a sentence together (though I guess I just did). A simple Google search shows how very wrong you are: sexy php - 56,100,000 results sexy asp - 8,380,000 sexy java - 6,360,000 sexy ruby - 2,840,000 sexy perl - 532,000 sexy C++ -

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Andrew Hankinson
Just out of curiosity I tried them in quotes: sexy ruby - 72,200 sexy python - 37,900 sexy php - 25,100 sexy java - 16,100 sexy asp - 14,800 sexy perl - 8,080 sexy C++ - 177 sexy FORTRAN - 67 sexy COBOL - 8 I tried sexy lisp but the results were skewed by speech impediment fetishes. Which I'd

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-25 Thread Tim Spalding
Ruby may be sexy but sexy ruby on rails gets only four hits. As for sexy python, well, no comment. T On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Andrew Hankinson andrew.hankin...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity I tried them in quotes: sexy ruby - 72,200 sexy python - 37,900 sexy php - 25,100

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Rosalyn Metz
Jenny, I discovered (i think through a code4libber) the other day a great series of videos on learning python. It was put out by Google as part of a series they do for their employees. http://code.google.com/edu/languages/ I myself don't know Python (i wish i did), but that section of the page

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:24 PM, jenny wrote: My question is, where would you recommend I would begin? What's hot right now in the library world? Python, PERL, Ruby? Any advice you'd have for a beginner like me or even recommendations for online courses would be extremely appreciated If you are

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Kyle Banerjee
A newly-minted library school grad who has up to this point focused my studies on Rare Books and Book Arts, I've been interested in getting back into some programming--I took two classes in college (VisualBASIC), have a smattering of web design and php, MySQL, exposure, but I'd like to try

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Laura Harris
On 3/24/2010 at 4:08 PM, emor...@nd.edu wrote: [snip] Just as important as the actual language may be the programming techniques you will have to learn. Now-a-day knowing how to read and write XML is almost imperative. Knowing how to do I/O against a database is all but necessary.

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Eric Celeste
I agree with the responses that suggest you look at the problems you want to solve and then decide which language, and more importantly which _community_ surrounding a language, is most in tune with solving those problems. If you are not sure what you want to solve, but just looking for ways to

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Kyle Banerjee
Just as important as the actual language may be the programming techniques you will have to learn. Now-a-day knowing how to read and write XML is almost imperative. Knowing how to do I/O against a database is all but necessary. Understanding how to send URL's to remote resources and

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Thomas Bennett
Not to start any flame wars, I'll have to agree with Rosalyn on Python. My favorite, one reason is the syntax requires readablity, for instance, indention is part of the syntax. And, I am running Zope/Plone servers (since 1992) which are written in C and python, and python scripting

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Ellen Knowlton Wilson
Kyle Banerjee wrote: [snip] Pick something that you need for a specific project. You already know how to program, so picking up a language for its own sake will mostly be an academic exercise for you. [snip] My advice would be to work on a project and if it calls for a language that you

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Joe Hourcle
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Eric Lease Morgan wrote: On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:24 PM, jenny wrote: My question is, where would you recommend I would begin? What's hot right now in the library world? Python, PERL, Ruby? Any advice you'd have for a beginner like me or even recommendations for online

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Mark Tomko
I wouldn't recommend PHP to learn as a programming language, if your goal is to have a general purpose programming language at your disposal. PHP is a fine language for building dynamic web pages, but it won't help you to slice and dice a big text file or process a bunch of XML or do some

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Dana Pearson
I've been focusing on XSL and XQuery, but Python's on my list to do although I want to do a turn in Perl first, very versatile. Just a javascript background. regards, dana On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:24 PM, jenny jennynotanyd...@gmail.com wrote: A newly-minted library school grad who has up to

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Smith,Devon
of looking into Lua, myself. Devon -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Hourcle Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:44 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Eric Lease Morgan wrote

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Spalding
PHP. I have to agree with others - don't bother with PHP. Largest website in Perl: Del.icio.us Largest website in PHP: Facebook Tim

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread David Kane
A friend of mine once described PHP as 'brain-dead PERL', but I like and use both languages quite a bit. David. On 24 March 2010 23:17, Tim Spalding t...@librarything.com wrote: PHP. I have to agree with others - don't bother with PHP. Largest website in Perl: Del.icio.us Largest website

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Paul Cummins
On 3/24/2010 7:43 PM, David Kane wrote: A friend of mine once described PHP as 'brain-dead PERL', but I like and use both languages quite a bit. David. On 24 March 2010 23:17, Tim Spaldingt...@librarything.com wrote: PHP. I have to agree with others - don't bother with PHP. Largest

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Andrew Hankinson
On 24-Mar-10, at 8:21 PM, Paul Cummins wrote: On 3/24/2010 7:43 PM, David Kane wrote: A friend of mine once described PHP as 'brain-dead PERL', but I like and use both languages quite a bit. David. On 24 March 2010 23:17, Tim Spaldingt...@librarything.com wrote: PHP. I have to agree

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Roy Tennant
On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Tim t...@librarything.com wrote: Largest website in Perl: Del.icio.us Largest website in PHP: Facebook You're assuming the only use for a programming language is to dynamically serve up a web site. That would be a serious mistake. Roy

Re: [CODE4LIB] newbie

2010-03-24 Thread Karen Coombs
To offer a counterpoint to no PHP folks, One reason I like PHP is because right now its pretty much essential to know if you are using open source web applications like MediaWiki, Wordpress or Drupal. I feel like Javascript is also a must for web work. Personally, I'm also a fan of XSLT to do

Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-15 Thread Derik Badman
Thanks for the suggestions and links, everyone. I'll check them out and see what will work for me. -- Derik A. Badman Digital Services Librarian Reference Librarian for Education and Social Work Temple University Libraries Paley Library 209 Philadelphia, PA Phone: 215-204-5250 Email:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-12 Thread Boheemen, Peter van
for Libraries on behalf of Godmar Back Sent: Fri 12-6-2009 5:55 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript Yes - see this email http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/archive/2009/200905/0909.html If you can host yourself, the stand-alone

Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-11 Thread Jon Gorman
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Derik Badmandbad...@temple.edu wrote: Hello all, I'm not sure the way I'm checking isbns against the text file is the most efficient way to go. Basically I'm making an ajax call to the file that takes the data and makes an array of objects. I then query the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-11 Thread Tom Pasley
Hi Derik, This looks good... I suppose the question to some of your questions is what's in your toolbox? Specifically: - Are you running on windows or unix on the server? - Are you able to install anything on the server - are you an admin or similar? - Are you able to run a scripting language

Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-11 Thread Derik Badman
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Jon Gorman jonathan.gor...@gmail.comwrote: I guess the first question is if it is really necessary to use a text file? I'm not entirely clear on this process, but perhaps the text file could be imported into a database. At this point the text file is a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-11 Thread Derik Badman
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Tom Pasley tom.pas...@gmail.com wrote: - Are you running on windows or unix on the server? -Are you able to install anything on the server - are you an admin or similar? - Are you able to run a scripting language like PHP on the server? - Do you have

Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-11 Thread Roy Tennant
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-11 Thread Annette Bailey
Roy, Just to clarify, you have to be an OCLC cataloging member to use this beyond 100 uses per day, correct? Thanks, Annette On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Roy Tennanttenna...@oclc.org wrote: This data (the Tic-Tocs RSS URLs) is also available via xISSN. For example:

Re: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-11 Thread Godmar Back
Yes - see this email http://serials.infomotions.com/code4lib/archive/2009/200905/0909.html If you can host yourself, the stand-alone version is efficient and easy to keep up to date - just run a cronjob that downloads the text file from JISC. My WSGI script will automatically pick up if it has