Re: [Codel] [Starlink] Anhyone have a spare couple a hundred million ... Elon may need to start a go-fund-me page!

2021-08-10 Thread David Lang
out money, SpaceX is foolish not to apply for it. David Lang On Tue, 10 Aug 2021, Jeremy Austin wrote: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 12:33:11 -0800 From: Jeremy Austin To: dick...@alum.mit.edu Cc: Cake List , Make-Wifi-fast , Bob McMahon , starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net, codel

Re: [Codel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
I agree that we don't want to make perfect the enemy of better. A lot of the issues I'm calling out can be simulated/enhanced with different power levels. over wifi distances, I don't think time delays are going to be noticable (we're talking 10s to low 100s of feet, not miles) David Lang

Re: [Codel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
it's receive sensitivity. David Lang On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, Bob McMahon wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 20:23:06 -0700 From: Bob McMahon To: David Lang Cc: Ben Greear , Luca Muscariello , Cake List , Make-Wifi-fast , Leonard Kleinrock , starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net, codel

Re: [Codel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
cases. you don't need to include them in every test, but you need to have a way to configure your lab to include them before you consider any settings/algorithm ready to try in the wild. David Lang On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, Bob McMahon wrote: We find four nodes, a primary BSS and an adjunct one quite

Re: [Codel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
is transmitting at much lower power levels than it cn decode the signal. David Lang On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, Bob McMahon wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 4:16 PM David Lang wrote: If you are going to setup a test environment for wifi, you need to include the ability to make a fe cases that only happen with RF

Re: [Codel] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Starlink] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-02 Thread David Lang
but station B cannot hear station A 3. station A can hear that station B is transmitting, but not with a strong enough signal to decode the signal (yes in theory you can work around interference, but in practice interference is still a real thing) David Lang

Re: [Codel] [Cake] [Bloat] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point

2021-07-12 Thread David Lang
I have seen some performance tests that do explicit DNS timing tests separate from other throughput/latency tests. Since DNS uses UDP (even if it then falls back to TCP in some cases), UDP performance (and especially probability of loss at congested links) is very important. David Lang

Re: [Codel] [Cake] [Bloat] The "Some Congestion Experienced" ECN codepoint - a new internet draft -

2019-03-12 Thread David Lang
e overhead. The majority of the time, packets will be in order, but race conditions and corner cases are allowed to forward packets out of order rather than having the delay some packets to maintain the order. David Lang ___ Codel mailing

Re: [Codel] [Make-wifi-fast] Software rate limiting with fq_codel for point-to-point WiFi backhaul links

2016-12-09 Thread David Lang
be that it will help by better grouping traffic into transmission bursts. David Lang On Fri, 9 Dec 2016, Phineas Gage wrote: Given the half-duplex nature of 802.11 WiFi, is it possible to use fq_codel with software rate limiting on separate hardware from the WiFi radio, while still allowing at or near the full

Re: [Codel] [Cake] Proposing COBALT

2016-05-20 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 20 May 2016, Jonathan Morton wrote: On 20 May, 2016, at 17:04, David Lang <da...@lang.hm> wrote: Is it possible to get speed testing software to detect that it's receiving fragments and warn about that? Do iperf3’s maintainers accept patches? don't know, I was thinkin

Re: [Codel] [Cake] Proposing COBALT

2016-05-20 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 20 May 2016, Jonathan Morton wrote: If the relative load from the flow decreases, BLUE’s action will begin to leave the subqueue empty when serviced, causing BLUE’s drop probability to fall off gradually, potentially until it reaches zero. At this point the subqueue is naturally

Re: [Codel] [Cake] Proposing COBALT

2016-05-20 Thread David Lang
(and no, path mtu discovery does not always work) David Lang ___ Codel mailing list Codel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/codel

Re: [Codel] [Make-wifi-fast] fq_codel_drop vs a udp flood

2016-05-02 Thread David Lang
a lot in general. And, again, in this case TCP is broken too (750Mbps down to 550), so it's not like Dave is saying that UDP test is broken, fq_codel is just too hungry for CPU while I wouldn't do it via wifi, syslog to/from relay systems can result in a lot of UDP traffic that could look like a flood.

Re: [Codel] [Bloat] capturing packets and applying qdiscs

2015-03-26 Thread David Lang
on 4 sta's. 2. lanforge wifi capacity test using tcp-download incrementing 4 sta's per minute up to 64 sta's with each iteration attempting 500Mbps download per x number of sta's. what results are you getting? and what results are you hoping to get to? David Lang The qdiscs I am using