Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Poole
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: > I don't think we have to implement the encryption in ircu directly, > however: if instead we provide a means for ircu to load an external > module of some sort that wraps connections—think in terms of link > compression, for instance—I be

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Laura Steynes
Guys, thank you, but due to Michaels hostility towards non Amercians who enjoy their privacy, and with no chance of SSL in ircu, we took our vote a few hours ago, and at UTC changed ircd's Noel: I know for a fact that Mirc has SSL enabled, as does ChatZilla, one of our admins has said there is

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Ian Kumlien
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 07:24:36AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > On Jul 22, 2013 2:30 AM, "Noel Butler" wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 08:15 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > > > >> > >> The only thing that US law has to do with anything is that the US --like > 40 other countries, including > >>

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Noel Butler
> > Complied with by a simple notice on ftp servers, and, funnily > enough, inside the package you need to open and read before building, > when was the last time you saw such a notice before downloading httpd, > or postfix etc > > I can't say for sure how the law is interpreted in Australia,

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Poole
On Jul 22, 2013 2:30 AM, "Noel Butler" wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 08:15 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > >> >> The only thing that US law has to do with anything is that the US --like 40 other countries, including >> most of those already mentioned has implemented export controls under the Wass

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-20 Thread Joseph Bongaarts
I'm pretty much on the same page as Kev with the solution: implement a connection stack with configurable modules and then implement an encryption module. As Kev said, it would actually be nice for us to have that ability for other things. I also agree with his caveat, that we simply don't have any

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-19 Thread Kevin L. Mitchell
I've been holding my tongue on this, because Michael's been stating the very logic that I have stated in the past; however, my views have been changing somewhat, and I think there are ways to approach this that can at least partially satisfy all parties. The first thing I want to be clear about is

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-19 Thread Laura Steynes
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Noel Butler wrote: > ** > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 22:22 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > > Just so people are not left wondering, I have better ways to spend my > time than to debunk emails that are driven by emotion and ignorance of > the subject matter(s) at hand. >

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-19 Thread Michael Poole
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Noel Butler wrote: > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 22:22 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > > Just so people are not left wondering, I have better ways to spend my > time than to debunk emails that are driven by emotion and ignorance of > the subject matter(s) at hand. > _

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-18 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 22:22 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > Just so people are not left wondering, I have better ways to spend my > time than to debunk emails that are driven by emotion and ignorance of > the subject matter(s) at hand. > ___ > Coder-com ma

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-18 Thread Michael Poole
Just so people are not left wondering, I have better ways to spend my time than to debunk emails that are driven by emotion and ignorance of the subject matter(s) at hand. ___ Coder-com mailing list Coder-com@undernet.org http://undernet.sbg.org/mailman/l

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-18 Thread Laura Steynes
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Michael Poole wrote: > Unless someone presents more compelling arguments in favor of the > idea, I do not expect to add SSL support to ircu. > > I would have thought privacy would be compelling enough? What about those other servers out there that are standalon

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-18 Thread Michael Poole
Unless someone presents more compelling arguments in favor of the idea, I do not expect to add SSL support to ircu. On the networking side of things, it does little to protect users from the kind of surveillance you describe: If an adversary is recording metadata, they will get substantively the s

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-17 Thread Reed Loden
Nefarious IRCu supports SSL already. I forgot where the SSL support originally came from (I remember something about a partially-working patch that was modified to work well). If ircu wants to add SSL support, should be pretty easy to take the relevant code from Nefarious. ~reed (disclaimer: I was

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-17 Thread Thomas Helvey
Implementing SSL shouldn't be too hard technically, the socket connection layer in ircu is pretty well encapsulated or it was at one time (it's been a while since I worked on the code). It'll burn some CPU but that may or may not be an issue. Sounds like an interesting and fun project. Do all c

[Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-17 Thread Laura Steynes
Hi there, Searching Google shows an old but very short thread about SSL on ircu which did not have any answer, so in light of recent word wide outrage against the united states govt and its nsa with prism, and uk's gchq's similar program, I was hoping to revive this feature request with a view to