Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Poole
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Kevin L. Mitchell wrote: > I don't think we have to implement the encryption in ircu directly, > however: if instead we provide a means for ircu to load an external > module of some sort that wraps connections—think in terms of link > compression, for instance—I be

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Laura Steynes
Guys, thank you, but due to Michaels hostility towards non Amercians who enjoy their privacy, and with no chance of SSL in ircu, we took our vote a few hours ago, and at UTC changed ircd's Noel: I know for a fact that Mirc has SSL enabled, as does ChatZilla, one of our admins has said there is

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Ian Kumlien
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 07:24:36AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > On Jul 22, 2013 2:30 AM, "Noel Butler" wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 08:15 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > > > >> > >> The only thing that US law has to do with anything is that the US --like > 40 other countries, including > >>

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Noel Butler
> > Complied with by a simple notice on ftp servers, and, funnily > enough, inside the package you need to open and read before building, > when was the last time you saw such a notice before downloading httpd, > or postfix etc > > I can't say for sure how the law is interpreted in Australia,

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Poole
On Jul 22, 2013 2:30 AM, "Noel Butler" wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 08:15 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > >> >> The only thing that US law has to do with anything is that the US --like 40 other countries, including >> most of those already mentioned has implemented export controls under the Wass

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-20 Thread Joseph Bongaarts
I'm pretty much on the same page as Kev with the solution: implement a connection stack with configurable modules and then implement an encryption module. As Kev said, it would actually be nice for us to have that ability for other things. I also agree with his caveat, that we simply don't have any

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-19 Thread Kevin L. Mitchell
I've been holding my tongue on this, because Michael's been stating the very logic that I have stated in the past; however, my views have been changing somewhat, and I think there are ways to approach this that can at least partially satisfy all parties. The first thing I want to be clear about is

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-19 Thread Laura Steynes
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Noel Butler wrote: > ** > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 22:22 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > > Just so people are not left wondering, I have better ways to spend my > time than to debunk emails that are driven by emotion and ignorance of > the subject matter(s) at hand. >

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-19 Thread Michael Poole
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:47 PM, Noel Butler wrote: > On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 22:22 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > > Just so people are not left wondering, I have better ways to spend my > time than to debunk emails that are driven by emotion and ignorance of > the subject matter(s) at hand. > _

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-18 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2013-07-18 at 22:22 -0400, Michael Poole wrote: > Just so people are not left wondering, I have better ways to spend my > time than to debunk emails that are driven by emotion and ignorance of > the subject matter(s) at hand. > ___ > Coder-com ma

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-18 Thread Michael Poole
Just so people are not left wondering, I have better ways to spend my time than to debunk emails that are driven by emotion and ignorance of the subject matter(s) at hand. ___ Coder-com mailing list Coder-com@undernet.org http://undernet.sbg.org/mailman/l

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-18 Thread Laura Steynes
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Michael Poole wrote: > Unless someone presents more compelling arguments in favor of the > idea, I do not expect to add SSL support to ircu. > > I would have thought privacy would be compelling enough? What about those other servers out there that are standalon

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-18 Thread Michael Poole
Unless someone presents more compelling arguments in favor of the idea, I do not expect to add SSL support to ircu. On the networking side of things, it does little to protect users from the kind of surveillance you describe: If an adversary is recording metadata, they will get substantively the s

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-17 Thread Reed Loden
Nefarious IRCu supports SSL already. I forgot where the SSL support originally came from (I remember something about a partially-working patch that was modified to work well). If ircu wants to add SSL support, should be pretty easy to take the relevant code from Nefarious. ~reed (disclaimer: I was

Re: [Coder-com] ssl feature

2013-07-17 Thread Thomas Helvey
Implementing SSL shouldn't be too hard technically, the socket connection layer in ircu is pretty well encapsulated or it was at one time (it's been a while since I worked on the code). It'll burn some CPU but that may or may not be an issue. Sounds like an interesting and fun project. Do all c