Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-19 Thread Vitalii Tymchyshyn
19.07.11 14:50, Steve Loughran написав(ла): On 19/07/11 12:44, Rita wrote: Arun, I second Joeś comment. Thanks for giving us a heads up. I will wait patiently until 0.23 is considered stable. API-wise, 0.21 is better. I know that as I'm working with 0.20.203 right now, and it is a step back

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-19 Thread Steve Loughran
On 19/07/11 12:44, Rita wrote: Arun, I second Joeś comment. Thanks for giving us a heads up. I will wait patiently until 0.23 is considered stable. API-wise, 0.21 is better. I know that as I'm working with 0.20.203 right now, and it is a step backwards. Regarding future releases, the best

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-19 Thread Rita
is going to look at a M/R solution cost and > performance are going to be at the top of the list. MapR isn't cheap but if > you look at the features in M5, if they work, then you have a very > compelling reason to look at their release. Some of the people I spoke to > when I was in

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Joe Stein
oe Stein >> http://www.medialets.com >> Twitter: @allthingshadoop >> */ >> >> On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Michael Segel wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:19:38 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: Wh

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Arun Murthy
aid. > > One love, Apache Hadoop! > > /* > Joe Stein > http://www.medialets.com > Twitter: @allthingshadoop > */ > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Michael Segel wrote: > >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:19:38 -0700 >>> Subject:

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Joe Stein
"state the obvious" paper on my back but kinda feel it had to be said. One love, Apache Hadoop! /* Joe Stein http://www.medialets.com Twitter: @allthingshadoop */ On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Michael Segel wrote: > > > >> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:19:38 -0700 >> Su

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Michael Segel
> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:19:38 -0700 > Subject: Re: Which release to use? > From: mcsri...@gmail.com > To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org > > Mike, > > Just a minor inaccuracy in your email. Here's setting the record straight: > > 1. MapR directly

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread M. C. Srivas
I believe EMC is selling the Greenplumb > > solution as an appliance - > > > > Cheers - > > > > Jeffery > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Steve Loughran [mailto:ste...@apache.org] > > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 4:07 PM > > To: common-user@hadoop

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Allen Wittenauer
On Jul 18, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Rita wrote: > I am a dimwit. We are conditioned by marketing that a higher number is always better. Experience tells us that this is not necessarily true.

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Rita
I am a dimwit. On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Allen Wittenauer wrote: > > On Jul 18, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Rita wrote: > > > I made the big mistake by using the latest version, 0.21.0 and found > bunch > > of bugs so I got pissed off at hdfs. Then, after reading this thread it > > seems I should

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Allen Wittenauer
On Jul 18, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Rita wrote: > I made the big mistake by using the latest version, 0.21.0 and found bunch > of bugs so I got pissed off at hdfs. Then, after reading this thread it > seems I should of used 0.20.x . > > I really wish we can fix this on the website, stating 0.21.0 as un

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Rita
Segel wrote: > > Well that's CDH3. :-) > > And yes, that's because up until the past month... other releases didn't > exist w commercial support. > > Now there are more players as we look at the movement from leading edge to > mainstream adopters. >

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Michael Segel
Well that's CDH3. :-) And yes, that's because up until the past month... other releases didn't exist w commercial support. Now there are more players as we look at the movement from leading edge to mainstream adopters. > Subject: RE: Which release to use? > Date: Mon,

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Jeff.Schmitz
[mailto:michael_se...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:10 PM To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: RE: Which release to use? Tom, I'm not sure that you're really honoring the purpose and approach of this list. I mean on the one hand, you're not under any obligation to respond or

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Michael Segel
r offering. Maybe by September you might be ready and then talk to our CHUG? -Mike > To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org > Subject: Re: Which release to use? > From: tdeut...@us.ibm.com > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:29:55 -0700 > > Hi Rita - I want to make sure we are honoring the pu

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Michael Segel
of MapR will generate. It sounds like they are hedging their bets and are taking an 'IBM' approach. > Subject: RE: Which release to use? > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:30:59 -0500 > From: jeff.schm...@shell.com > To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org > > Steve, > &

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Jeff.Schmitz
Steve, I read your blog nice post - I believe EMC is selling the Greenplumb solution as an appliance - Cheers - Jeffery -Original Message- From: Steve Loughran [mailto:ste...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 4:07 PM To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Which release

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-18 Thread Tom Deutsch
ation Management Hadoop Product Manager / Customer Exec IBM 3565 Harbor Blvd Costa Mesa, CA 92626-1420 tdeut...@us.ibm.com Rita 07/16/2011 08:53 AM Please respond to common-user@hadoop.apache.org To common-user@hadoop.apache.org cc Subject Re: Which release to use? I am curious about th

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-17 Thread Michael Segel
00% at the latest release. Note: This is a broader question than just what IBM is releasing but what is meant by saying Hadoop or derived from Hadoop. Clearly DataStax and MapR are derivatives. Cloudera? This goes back to the OP's question 'Which release to use?'... And I have t

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-17 Thread Tom Deutsch
errors. - Original Message - From: Steve Loughran [ste...@apache.org] Sent: 07/17/2011 08:34 PM CET To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Which release to use? On 16/07/2011 16:53, Rita wrote: I am curious about the IBM product BigInishgts. Where can we download it? It seems we

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Loughran
On 16/07/2011 16:53, Rita wrote: I am curious about the IBM product BigInishgts. Where can we download it? It seems we have to register to download it? I think you have to pay to use it

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-16 Thread Rita
Deutsch > Program Director > CTO Office: Information Management > Hadoop Product Manager / Customer Exec > IBM > 3565 Harbor Blvd > Costa Mesa, CA 92626-1420 > tdeut...@us.ibm.com > > > > > Michael Segel > 07/15/2011 07:58 AM > Please respond to > common-u

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Michael Segel
See, I knew there was something that I forgot. It all goes back to the question ... 'which release to use'... 2 years ago it was a very simple decision. Now, not so much. :-) And while Arun and Ownen work for a vendor, I do not and I try to follow each company and their offe

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Mark Kerzner
Steve, this is so well said, do you mind if I repeat it here, http://shmsoft.blogspot.com/2011/07/hadoop-commercial-support-options.html Thank you, Mark On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Steve Loughran wrote: > On 15/07/2011 15:58, Michael Segel wrote: > >> >> Unfortunately the picture is a bit

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Steve Loughran
On 15/07/2011 18:06, Arun C Murthy wrote: Apache Hadoop is a volunteer driven, open-source project. The contributors to Apache Hadoop, both individuals and folks across a diverse set of organizations, are committed to driving the project forward and making timely releases - see discussion on h

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Steve Loughran
On 15/07/2011 15:58, Michael Segel wrote: Unfortunately the picture is a bit more confusing. Yahoo! is now HortonWorks. Their stated goal is to not have their own derivative release but to sell commercial support for the official Apache release. So those selling commercial support are: *Cloud

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Arun C Murthy
adoop. From what I have seen, Cloudera's release is the closest to > the Apache release. > > Like I said, things are getting interesting. > > HTH > > -Mike > > > >> From: ev...@yahoo-inc.com >> To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org >> Date: Fri, 15

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Tom Deutsch
nd to common-user@hadoop.apache.org To cc Subject RE: Which release to use? Unfortunately the picture is a bit more confusing. Yahoo! is now HortonWorks. Their stated goal is to not have their own derivative release but to sell commercial support for the official Apache release. So

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Jul 15, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Michael Segel wrote: > So while you can use the Apache release, it may not make sense for your > organization to do so. (Said as I don the flame retardant suit...) I obviously disagree. *grin* Apache Hadoop 0.20.203.0 is the most stable and well tested release and

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Michael Segel
> From: ev...@yahoo-inc.com > To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:35:45 -0700 > Subject: Re: Which release to use? > > Adarsh, > > Yahoo! no longer has its own distribution of Hadoop. It has been merged into > the 0.20.2XX line so 0.20.20

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Robert Evans
Adarsh, Yahoo! no longer has its own distribution of Hadoop. It has been merged into the 0.20.2XX line so 0.20.203 is what Yahoo is running internally right now, and we are moving towards 0.20.204 which should be out soon. I am not an expert on Cloudera so I cannot really map its releases to

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Jonathan Coveney
hortonworks.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:43 PM > To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org > Subject: Re: Which release to use? > > Hi, > > 0.20.203 is the latest stable release which includes a ton of features > (security - kerberos based authentication) and fixes. Its cu

RE: Which release to use?

2011-07-15 Thread Isaac Dooley
Will 0.23 include Kerberos authentication? Will this finally unite the Yahoo and Apache branches? -Original Message- From: Arun C Murthy [mailto:a...@hortonworks.com] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:43 PM To: common-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Which release to use? Hi

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-14 Thread Adarsh Sharma
Hadoop releases are issued time by time. But one more thing related to hadoop usage, There are so many providers that provides the distribution of Hadoop ; 1. Apache Hadoop 2. Cloudera 3. Yahoo etc. Which distribution is best among them on production usage. I think Cloudera's is best among th

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-14 Thread Owen O'Malley
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Teruhiko Kurosaka wrote: > I'm a newbie and I am confused by the Hadoop releases. > I thought 0.21.0 is the latest & greatest release that I > should be using but I noticed 0.20.203 has been released > lately, and 0.21.X is marked "unstable, unsupported". > > Should

Re: Which release to use?

2011-07-14 Thread Arun C Murthy
Hi, 0.20.203 is the latest stable release which includes a ton of features (security - kerberos based authentication) and fixes. Its currently deployed at over 50k machines at Yahoo too. So, yes, I'd encourage you to use 0.20.203. We, the community, are currently working on hadoop-0.23 and ho

Which release to use?

2011-07-14 Thread Teruhiko Kurosaka
I'm a newbie and I am confused by the Hadoop releases. I thought 0.21.0 is the latest & greatest release that I should be using but I noticed 0.20.203 has been released lately, and 0.21.X is marked "unstable, unsupported". Should I be using 0.20.203? T. "Kuro" Kurosaka