Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-12 Thread Andrew Gray
On 10 February 2010 13:38, Eusebius wikipe...@eusebius.fr wrote: Author date of death is a needed (crucial) parameter as well. Of course it will not cover all cases (unless you want to add parameters saying stupid things such as whether the author died for France in wartime), but neither does

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 February 2010 18:09, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The obvious source for the workflows here is something like the public domain calculator projects - http://wiki.okfn.org/PublicDomainCalculators I don't know how practical this is to run in template-code, though. You can

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 February 2010 13:21, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I've sometimes thought that, in an ideal world, we should just phase out PD-old and all its forms - it's often, as you say, wishful thinking, or sometimes (and I know in my early days I did this) a cover for a

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-10 Thread Eusebius
David Gerard a crit: On 10 February 2010 13:21, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I've sometimes thought that, in an ideal world, we should just phase out PD-old and all its forms - it's often, as you say, wishful thinking, or sometimes (and I know in my early days I

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-09 Thread Rama Neko
We do not game copyright laws in this way. You can see an example with Heinrich Hoffman's photographs: the USA consider them to be in the Public Domain in apparent disregard for international law on copyright; these photographs are protected by copyright in Germany, where they are the object of

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-09 Thread Michael Peel
That's a valid point, but I'm coming at it from different direction: works that are public domain in the country of origin but not in the US. I don't view that as gaming the copyright system, as I'm based in the UK and I don't view Wikimedia as an American website/set of projects. If a UK

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-09 Thread Michael Peel
The WMF is accepting my files? I thought that they were simply providing a service, and it was the community at large that was accepting the files. ;-) That said, the formal side of Wikimedia is not just the WMF. We have a growing network of chapters around the world, who are legally based

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-09 Thread Rama Neko
My apologies if gaming the system has overly negative connotations, I am worried of having been unwittingly insulting. Are there concrete examples of works that are in the Public Domain in their county of origin but not in the USA? I was under the impression that under the Bern Convention, a work

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-09 Thread Eusebius
AFAIK, the WMF exposes itself in US law by hosting and publishing files from a Florida site (I'm not sure what responsibility the chapters may have, but I don't think Commons is related to any of them). They simply have the right to protect themselves by requiring that all hosted files be ok

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 February 2010 10:36, Rama Neko raman...@gmail.com wrote: Are there concrete examples of works that are in the Public Domain in their county of origin but not in the USA? I was under the impression that under the Bern Convention, a work was not protected longer than it is in its country

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-09 Thread Gnangarra
If the images were to be uploaded to a Commons server then it would require a number of additional questions at the time of uploading we already have enough problems in getting people to follow the current requirements and selecting the appropriate license. I've spent time in getting an

Re: [Commons-l] [WikiEN-l] Images that are PD in their country of origin

2010-02-08 Thread Michael Peel
On 8 Feb 2010, at 23:05, Ken Arromdee wrote: This is also a particular problem with pictures of living people, since we've been told that since it's *possible* to take another picture of a living person, all non-free images of living people are prohibited. The official way of