RE: Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
A little obfuscation goes a long way. Look at our subscription mechanism to mailing lists. It is trivially easy to defeat, but as far as I know no one has yet subscribed to one of our lists to spam us. Actually, that part is not so easy because it requires them to have a valid mailbox in order

RE: Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I rarely bother to sign my messages I notice you signed that one. ;-) On purpose. :-) Signed messages cause problems on gmane The problem is that gmane obfuscates the sender itself, so that the sender and signer don't match, and you get a Security Warning It is an entirely proper

RE: Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
The next step would be to only allow mail from people who are in the ASF web-of-trust. :-) Thereby eliminating 99% of the user base? ;-) --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-16 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 10:24 PM 4/14/2004, you wrote: Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your comments are welcome. If you pick 10 people and ask them, you come up with at least 20 solutions for spam and 100 ideas. I think email obfuscation is just as useless yet appealing as security thru obscurity if the amount

RE: Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Do we have any mechanism for hiding or otherwise obfuscating the email address of senders to our list? No. The raw mbox archives show everything, as do the eyebrowse archives. So why not obfuscate? Even if we were to do so, any spammer could subscribe to our lists, and simply harvest sender

RE: Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-14 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 05:25 PM 4/14/2004, you wrote: Do we have any mechanism for hiding or otherwise obfuscating the email address of senders to our list? No. The raw mbox archives show everything, as do the eyebrowse archives. Thanks for the info. So why not obfuscate? Even if we were to do so, any spammer

RE: Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-14 Thread Noel J. Bergman
By obfuscation I obviously mean a transformation which is easy for a human to decipher but difficult for a machine. I understood. Based upon testimony from Ron Scelson, I believe that the spam industry has grown to about US$1 billion per year. How much effort do you think is being invested if

Re: Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your comments are welcome. If you pick 10 people and ask them, you come up with at least 20 solutions for spam and 100 ideas. I think email obfuscation is just as useless yet appealing as security thru obscurity if the amount of email obfuscated is high

Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-13 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Hello all, In recent months, the ratio of spam to legitimate messages ratio has plummeted to about 1 in 20 for my main mailbox. Consequently, I am now very aggressively filtering out incoming traffic. One of the downsides of participating in mailing lists is that your email address becomes easy