Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-07-02 Thread Santiago Gala
Steve Brewin escribió: Achieving sysadm trust is not the same as achieving a maximally hardened solution. Perhaps James could achieve a level of trust from some Unix sysadms by making it possible to mirror the deployment environments that they trust. Fine. But as developers we shouldn't be blind

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-07-02 Thread Serge Knystautas
Santiago Gala wrote: I think a good equilibrium point between the marketing view of security (making sysadms trust) and purist java technical view would be to allow James not having to run as root under Unix (to handle protected ports like 25, 110, etc.) and then securing the rest of the

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-07-02 Thread Ben Hyde
On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 10:46 AM, Serge Knystautas wrote: Santiago Gala wrote: I think a good equilibrium point between the marketing view of security (making sysadms trust) and purist java technical view would be to allow James not having to run as root under Unix (to handle protected

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-07-02 Thread James Duncan Davidson
On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 07:46 AM, Serge Knystautas wrote: Santiago Gala wrote: I think a good equilibrium point between the marketing view of security (making sysadms trust) and purist java technical view would be to allow James not having to run as root under Unix (to handle protected

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-07-02 Thread Santiago Gala
Serge Knystautas escribió: Santiago Gala wrote: I think a good equilibrium point between the marketing view of security (making sysadms trust) and purist java technical view would be to allow James not having to run as root under Unix (to handle protected ports like 25, 110, etc.) and then

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-07-02 Thread James Duncan Davidson
Some random thoughts--aside from the personal defense against a perceived attack which I'm not wanting to get involved with. :) On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 12:53 AM, Steve Brewin wrote: I did say I'm sure that everyone is in favour of hardening James as much as possible. Its just that we

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-07-02 Thread Thom May
* Ask Bjoern Hansen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, James Duncan Davidson wrote: By changing their id after they launch as root. setuid. Pretty common thing to do. See man setuid. With qmail it's even more separated. There's a small program that opens the port and then