RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2004 23:11 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed the only ones who really got hurt were the Avalon users, and the ASF establishment have already declared that they are not

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Stephen McConnell wrote: When you say and the two container factions that chose not to participate with everyone else you are implying and active choice? Do you believe that the Avalon community was presented with a choice? Yes to both. And multiple of each over extended periods of time.

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2004 03:09 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed Stephen McConnell wrote: When you say and the two container factions that chose not to participate with everyone else

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Stephen McConnell wrote: * What do you think is the role of a PMC in our decision making process? The PMC makes all binding decisions regarding a project. If the PMC fails in that regard to the satisfaction of the Foundation's stakeholders, the Board can, and will be expected to, take

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 08:30 PM 12/16/2004, Stephen McConnell wrote: Concerning our decision making processes, I have a couple of questions... * What do you think is the role of a PMC in our decision making process? They have absolute decision making process within the board's mandate for their project.

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread J Aaron Farr
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: * Within our decision processes, what do you think is more important - the community or the individual? The community. Individuals participate, but the distinction between an ASF project and a, say, sourceforge project, is that the ASF project is more than one

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
J Aaron Farr wrote: ... The thing is, and the reason for sharing this with the community, is that PMC's and communities need to watch out for this sort of thing in your own community. Don't wait for the situation to get critical. PMCs and PMC Chairs can intervene and should rather than watch

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Now the partys over Im so tired [ ... as probably everyone else here ...] Then I see you coming Out of nowhere [ ... Is this you, Stephen? ... ] Much communication in a motion Without conversation or a notion [... Yep ...] Avalon When the samba takes you Out of nowhere And the backgrounds

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Dec 17, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Comments in [] by me, with apologies to Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music. You just ruined this for me - I really liked that song, and I really hate this whole Avalon thing. Now, can we please lay this thread to rest? What good is it for?

Re: [PGP Global Directory] Verify Email Address - what do people think?

2004-12-17 Thread Shane Curcuru
Anyone with a PGP key on the pgp.com keyserver likely has gotten one or more of these emails recently. I'm figuring it's legit, see http://www.pgp.com/downloads/beta/globaldirectory/faq.html - Any security types have a decent analysis of what the new pgp.com's Directory really means, vs. using

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread J Aaron Farr
-Original Message- From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Now, can we please lay this thread to rest? What good is it for? Just to prove I was right? +1 Sorry for the noise. I do hope, though, that the larger ASF community does learn some lessons from what