Nice quote from Garner comparing us to Linux and KDE.

2004-03-18 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Differentiation between well run open source developments such as the Apache Software Foundation and these more ad-hoc developments(David McCoy). Dw - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Leo Simons
Something big is stirring in the java world. There's talks between Sun and IBM about releasing an open source version of java. There's talks between the linux desktop movers about adopting java as the glue that binds the major desktop projects together. Key ASF individuals are joining these

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Brian McCallister
I suspect that getting a consensus from the ASF members, much less the community at large, as to a stance on open source Java will be pretty difficult. The ASF is made up of individuals, not a small number of which are intimately involved with each of the major JVM providers. I do think that

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread David N. Welton
Brian McCallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suspect that getting a consensus from the ASF members, much less the community at large, as to a stance on open source Java will be pretty difficult. The ASF is made up of individuals, not a small number of which are intimately involved with each

Re: ASF Board Summary for March 17, 2004

2004-03-18 Thread Peter B. West
Greg Stein wrote: Hi all, This morning, we had our monthly Board meeting. This message is to give a quick summary of the actions or discussions which might impact you, as a participant in the activities of the ASF. ... * There has been a good amount of discussion with respect to

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Brian McCallister
On Mar 18, 2004, at 9:49 AM, Antonio Gallardo wrote: I have just a question: If Java goes GPL (as suggested by many opinion writters), it can clash with the ASF license? I remember discussions about the viral nature of (L)GPL in Java language. Then if Java goes (L)GPL it will infect the java

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Costin Manolache
Serge Knystautas wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Key ASF individuals are joining these discussions, on weblogs and various discussion forums. But the ASF as a whole is silent. In lieu of forming a statement for the ASF as a whole, what about organizing/encouraging/guiding people who want to

RE: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ? Which two? I've had a thought to try testing James under gcj at some point. RedHat has already done a whole bunch of Java-based Apache projects with gcj.

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
sheepish I wasn't subscribed to community@ until now, so if there's something there that wasn't xposted to general@, let me know... /sheepish More inline : On Mar 18, 2004, at 11:21 AM, Leo Simons wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: the intention is to get involved snip/ really wanted to keep quiet

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Brian McCallister dijo: On Mar 18, 2004, at 9:49 AM, Antonio Gallardo wrote: I have just a question: If Java goes GPL (as suggested by many opinion writters), it can clash with the ASF license? I remember discussions about the viral nature of (L)GPL in Java language. Then if Java goes

RE: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
If you read the open letters there is clear they suggest an full GPL license, because if not maybe it can end (intentionally) in a fork. There is nothing in the GPL that talks about a fork. The argument for Sun to license their JVM under the GPL is that then Sun would be the only one who could

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David N. Welton wrote: Brian McCallister [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suspect that getting a consensus from the ASF members, much less the community at large, as to a stance on open source Java will be pretty difficult. The ASF is made up of individuals, not a small number of which are intimately