Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
Clearly you are not prepared to face up to the fact that the there is a disconnect within the ASF policies and procedures and the functioning of an open community. Clearly you are not prepared, willing or able to address this. You decision to abstain from further discussion within this context is an appropriate move and I commend and applaud this decision. Stephen. Stephen, As one of the usually-silent members of the ASF, I take exception to what you have said in most of this thread. If there is anything wrong with the policies and procedures of the ASF, it is that Avalon was not shut down in 2001 or before. The board tried and tried and tried to stay out of the problems, hoping that the Avalon PMC would self-correct. This did not happen. Avalon was shut down. IMHO, it should have happened long before you became a major player in Avalon. Avalon has historically forgot about the 'users' part of the community, and that is something that I am not willing to let continue. I fully support the decisions made by the Avalon PMC to shut the project down. I find it a bit ironic that a 'perfect framework' project takes on a named based on a mythically perfect community, and the community is anything but. I would 'commend and applaud' your acceptance that there is an equal and opposite viewpoint to yours on this issue. I also believe that the multiple opinions out there cannot be reconciled. I am willing to let it go at that, as there is no clear direction forward, since forward has a dozen meanings in this context. So why don't we drop it? Scott Sanders - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??
On Dec 21, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: There is a lot of due process to ensure that any release which goes out is an ASF release and that any deceisions are taken by the committers with a proper vote and with proper oversight by the board of directors. As long as committers stick to their CLA and contributors to their license thenwe can, and will choose, to do a lot to shield them. Will the ASF shield me? I doubt it. I really doubt it. Stephen. Why do you say things like this? Do you fail to understand this is the primary reason for the establishment of the ASF. Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
Thanks to those who helped lay the issues to rest, happy ranting to those who wish to beat the dead horse, and long live good code in whatever forum is appropriate to it. Amen, +1 Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python anybody?
Perhaps we should just start a python list, and if that is successful then Gump and mod_python could co-create the python.apache.org federation (PMC-less organization). I am +1 on a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Scott On Jul 14, 2004, at 8:55 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: While I'm not highly into python (I like whitespace idea, but knowledge of perl stops me getting too much beyond reading the O'Reilly books), perhaps this would be a way to experiement with the non-project technology focused communities that were talked about a couple of years ago. The one that preceded increasing the number of Apache projects so Apache was broader and discussed having cross-project communities united on something like language. So Xerces-Java belongs to both XML and Java communities, etc etc. mod-python would belong to the httpd-module community, as well as the python community. Hen On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Thom May wrote: * Adam R. B. Jack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Hi, Are there sufficient ASF folks working in Python (on MoinMoin, or whatever) to warrant something like an ASF focused Python list? [I don't mean mod-python, but I'm not excluding that/them.] I, for one, don't have bandwidth (network nor mental) for comp.lang.python, but I'd be interested in sharing/learning with other ASF folks working in Python . I think this is a great idea. it'd be nice to have a community orriented list to help each other out and learn from each other. -Thom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RfP: Apache T-Shirt Logo Contest
Now there's one I really like. :) Big +1 -Original Message- From: Andreas Hartmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:16 PM To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: RfP: Apache T-Shirt Logo Contest Hi community, here's another submission: http://www.cocooncenter.org/apache/apache-bandit-02.png Greetings -- Andreas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [off-topic-just for fun] - Maps and zoom-in
As far as I can tell, in the SF Bay area, it is off by about 20 feet. Not bad at all :) Scott Now I've noticed quite a few folks falling off the shore, and into a nearby rivers and canals. Which unless you are living on a boad - is propably not quite correct. So I'd love to know if that is projection issue; or a true issue with the location you entered. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [off-topic-just for fun] - Maps and zoom-in
Nevermind, if you zoom in far enough (below about 50 yards), it is spot on. Way to go! As far as I can tell, in the SF Bay area, it is off by about 20 feet. Not bad at all :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] Jakarta PMC bylaws change
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:52:17AM -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: I'm planning on submitting a proposal to change the bylaws of Jakarta to bring Jakarta's PMC structure closer to the HTTPD one. Before I do so, I would like to gather the opinions of a self selecting cross section of both Jakarta and non-Jakarta committers, and it occurs to me that this mailing list enables me to do exactly that. My intent is not to rush to put in place any radical change, or to address all issues in one sweeping proposal. My intent is merely to put in place enough bylaws to enable the necessary changes to be made. My current thinking is to propose this formally after the ApacheCon to give people adequate time to discuss this, but feedback on both the content and timing are welcome. Enough preamble. Here's the outline of the proposed changes: 1) Eliminate any upper limit to the number of PMC members 2) Allow new PMC members to be proposed at any time 3) Remove references to resigning, add an emeritus status 4) Reinstate all past PMC members as emeritus status In addition to these bylaws, I anticipate a set of non-normative guidelines. Proposed PMC members will normally already be committers. Typically, a proposed PMC member will have been actively involved on a sustained basis (no significant gaps) for six months since becoming a committer. I intend to nominate any ASF members who are also Jakarta committers as new PMC members. The intent is that this is intended to be orthogonal to any proposals to promote an existing Jakarta subproject to become a top level project. Of course, people involved may voluntarily chose to change their status to emeritus, but are under no obligation to do so. +1 to all. Sam, you continue to be pretty spot on :) -- Scott Sanders - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] Openness
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 10:19 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read this mail list thru a web archive? [X ] +1 yes, let's make it readable [ ] 0 don't know/don't care [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private - o - VOTE 2: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to fully subscribe to this mail list? [ ] +1 yes, let's open it to everyone [X] 0 don't know/don't care [ ] -1 no, let's keep it for committers only Scott
